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From: Don Stauffer in Minnesota on 21 Dec 2007 10:47 On Dec 21, 7:40 am, "HLS" <nos...(a)nospam.nix> wrote: > "Steve" <n...(a)spam.thanks> wrote in message > > news:UsidnaX9V8H5evfanZ2dnUVZ_sKqnZ2d(a)texas.net... > > > > > HLS wrote: > > >> "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message > > >>> I am not sure that ethanol is the answer, but I also think that the > >>> anti-ethanol lobby is lying through their collective teeth. I know who > >>> is funding the pro-ethanol lobby. Who is funding the anti-ethanol lobby? > >>> I'd say follow the money......Who stands to loose the most if ethanol > >>> displaces a significant amount of foreign oil? > > >>> Ed > > >> Fully agree with this, Ed. Everybody has a different axe to grind in > >> this > >> situation. > > > No, a lot of us just think that ethanol as a widely-used replacement for > > gasoline is not viable for North America when you balance the energy > > budget. I personally, however, think bioDIESEL has an enormous potential. > > The difference is that far less energy is required to extract corn oil > > from corn (or other plant oils from their parent plants) than to distill > > ethanol from fermented corn. > > > It still doesn't alleviate the problem with food crop being displaced for > > fuel crop while much of the world starves, and it doesn't make a big > > enough dent in oil demand because not enough of the automobile fleet is > > diesel powered... but I just want to point out that in my case its not a > > matter of "follow the money" at all. > > I also think biodiesel holds a lot of promise. Corn may not be the best > source for > the fatty acids to make biodiesel either. I've heard that soybean makes a better biodiesel than corn.
From: Scott Dorsey on 21 Dec 2007 11:01 Mike Romain <romainm(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >Scott Dorsey wrote: >> The problem with this is that the mixture isn't optimal anymore, if the >> thing has been tuned to run properly with conventional gas. Drilling your >> carb jets out may be in order to get a slightly richer mixture. > >I have a variable main fuel jet with a moving needle and tried running >it a bit richer there and I have a variable 'air' jet needle which I >also tried running richer to the point of seeing black smoke when >floored at 65 mph. Both just gave me crappy mileage and no top end power. I'd be more apt to blame "winter fuel" mixtures with low vapor pressure and possibly oxygenation long before I'd blame the ethanol in this case. >So what are 'we' now supposed to do that the law says all stations have >to switch for the new year here in Canada? My vehicle isn't supposed to >have 'any' alcohol because it eats parts, let alone the running issues. 10% ethanol won't eat anything. 50% ethanol sure will. >Right now Toronto Canada has a gas shortage going on because they ran >short of real gas while 'converting' so they can jack up the price which >they have before they jack it up again when the alcohol law hits in the >New Year. I make a bet that they have changed a whole lot more than just the ethanol addition. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Scott Dorsey on 21 Dec 2007 11:04 In article <fkgo1g$3js$1(a)panix2.panix.com>, Scott Dorsey <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote: >Mike Romain <romainm(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >>Scott Dorsey wrote: >>> The problem with this is that the mixture isn't optimal anymore, if the >>> thing has been tuned to run properly with conventional gas. Drilling your >>> carb jets out may be in order to get a slightly richer mixture. >> >>I have a variable main fuel jet with a moving needle and tried running >>it a bit richer there and I have a variable 'air' jet needle which I >>also tried running richer to the point of seeing black smoke when >>floored at 65 mph. Both just gave me crappy mileage and no top end power. > >I'd be more apt to blame "winter fuel" mixtures with low vapor pressure >and possibly oxygenation long before I'd blame the ethanol in this case. err... high vapor pressures. Brain fart. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: HLS on 21 Dec 2007 11:46 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message Most ethanol attackers conveniently ignore the fact that the > dried mash left over after you make the ethanol is high quality animal > feed and they leave the value of this feed out of the economic balance. It > make a huge difference in the numbers. > > Ed Off topic, but some of the people around here feed commercial chicken house litter to cattle. And, there doesnt seem to be a law against it. I would far prefer to feed them sour mash solids that chicken feces. What is going to happen to the corn farmer when he can no longer get cheap ammonia based fertilizers? And that could happen easily enough.
From: Mike Romain on 21 Dec 2007 12:07
Scott Dorsey wrote: > In article <fkgo1g$3js$1(a)panix2.panix.com>, > Scott Dorsey <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote: >> Mike Romain <romainm(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> Scott Dorsey wrote: >>>> The problem with this is that the mixture isn't optimal anymore, if the >>>> thing has been tuned to run properly with conventional gas. Drilling your >>>> carb jets out may be in order to get a slightly richer mixture. >>> I have a variable main fuel jet with a moving needle and tried running >>> it a bit richer there and I have a variable 'air' jet needle which I >>> also tried running richer to the point of seeing black smoke when >>> floored at 65 mph. Both just gave me crappy mileage and no top end power. >> I'd be more apt to blame "winter fuel" mixtures with low vapor pressure >> and possibly oxygenation long before I'd blame the ethanol in this case. > > err... high vapor pressures. Brain fart. > --scott > > The only issue with that is I did the tests in the middle of the summer and they have been consistent over the ten years I have owned this Jeep. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com |