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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 30 Jun 2010 15:08
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:54:50 -0700, KirkM wrote:

> On Jun 19, 10:20 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 07:54:10 -0400, Steve Walker wrote:
>> > Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> >> Anybody lend a hand?
>>
>> >> This is a '92 Grand Caravan with a 3.3L engine. What's the easiest
>> >> way to remove the alternator from this thing?
>>
>> > I had a '95 with 3.3. Remove from underneath. May have to loosen motor
>> > mount to pry engine forward with a 2 by 4 for clearance. The book
>> > fails to mention that part. It's a PITA job, no easy way.
>>
>> I paid $150 for the van. They're giving $200 for scrap cars...
>
> Here is the procedure that someone sent me years ago, when I was going to
> do it. I am not sure why they called it a "generator" instead of an
> "alternator."
>
> (1) Disconnect battery negative cable. (2) Remove generator drive belt,
> (3) Loosen, but do not remove the nut on the support bracket at exhaust
> manifold.
> (4) Remove the generator tensioner power steering bracket bolt. (5) Remove
> the tensioner stud nut and the tensioner. (6) Remove the generator
> mounting bolts. (7) Remove and position the power steering reservoir from
> the generator mounting bracket. Do not remove the hoses from the
> reservoir.
> (8) Remove the three generator support bracket bolts. (9) Remove intake
> plenum-to-generator mounting bracket bolt. (10) Remove generator support
> bracket. (11) Position generator and remove generator wiring. (12) Remove
> generator.
>
> KM


Thanks. I was looking this over again last night and from what I THINK I
saw, the bracket is attached at the bottom to one of the bolts from the
motor mount!

Did you do this and get it off OK? I'll have to print this out and take it
with me...

From: KirkM on 1 Jul 2010 14:56
On Jun 30, 1:08 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:54:50 -0700, KirkM wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 10:20 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 07:54:10 -0400, Steve Walker wrote:
> >> > Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
> >> >> Anybody lend a hand?
>
> >> >> This is a '92 Grand Caravan with a 3.3L engine. What's the easiest
> >> >> way to remove the alternator from this thing?
>
> >> > I had a '95 with 3.3. Remove from underneath. May have to loosen motor
> >> > mount to pry engine forward with a 2 by 4 for clearance. The book
> >> > fails to mention that part. It's a PITA job, no easy way.
>
> >> I paid $150 for the van. They're giving $200 for scrap cars...
>
> > Here is the procedure that someone sent me years ago, when I was going to
> > do it. I am not sure why they called it a "generator" instead of an
> > "alternator."
>
> > (1) Disconnect battery negative cable. (2) Remove generator drive belt,
> > (3) Loosen, but do not remove the nut on the support bracket at exhaust
> > manifold.
> > (4) Remove the generator tensioner power steering bracket bolt. (5) Remove
> > the tensioner stud nut and the tensioner. (6) Remove the generator
> > mounting bolts. (7) Remove and position the power steering reservoir from
> > the generator mounting bracket. Do not remove the hoses from the
> > reservoir.
> > (8) Remove the three generator support bracket bolts. (9) Remove intake
> > plenum-to-generator mounting bracket bolt. (10) Remove generator support
> > bracket. (11) Position generator and remove generator wiring. (12) Remove
> > generator.
>
> > KM
>
> Thanks. I was looking this over again last night and from what I THINK I
> saw, the bracket is attached at the bottom to one of the bolts from the
> motor mount!
>
> Did you do this and get it off OK? I'll have to print this out and take it
> with me...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I didn't end up having to remove it. The problem turned out to be with
the BCM integrated regulator. It was never energizing the field
circuit.

KM
From: Daniel who wants to know on 3 Jul 2010 00:34
"KirkM" <kmath50(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:17891eb1-eb2a-404b-ac02-08d1bfd6cc1f(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>
> I didn't end up having to remove it. The problem turned out to be with
> the BCM integrated regulator. It was never energizing the field
> circuit.
>
> KM

BCM? I thought the V-Reg was in the SBEC?


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Jul 2010 12:28
On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:34:53 -0500, Daniel who wants to know wrote:

> "KirkM" <kmath50(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:17891eb1-eb2a-404b-ac02-08d1bfd6cc1f(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> I didn't end up having to remove it. The problem turned out to be with
>> the BCM integrated regulator. It was never energizing the field circuit.
>>
>> KM
>
> BCM? I thought the V-Reg was in the SBEC?

These things use a Denso (Toyota, since Denso is about 51% owned by
Toyota) alternator. I recognized it as soon as I looked at it.

The regulator in this one is built off the housing.



From: Daniel who wants to know on 4 Jul 2010 00:09

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:34:53 -0500, Daniel who wants to know wrote:
>
>> "KirkM" <kmath50(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:17891eb1-eb2a-404b-ac02-08d1bfd6cc1f(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> I didn't end up having to remove it. The problem turned out to be with
>>> the BCM integrated regulator. It was never energizing the field circuit.
>>>
>>> KM
>>
>> BCM? I thought the V-Reg was in the SBEC?
>
> These things use a Denso (Toyota, since Denso is about 51% owned by
> Toyota) alternator. I recognized it as soon as I looked at it.
>
> The regulator in this one is built off the housing.
>
>
>
I had a '92 Dynasty 3.3 and have a '95 Grand Caravan 3.3 and trust me the
voltage regulator in the SBEC (single board engine controller) It is that
black thing in the driver's front corner by the battery that the air filter
box is attached to. There is even a fault code for "alternator field
circuit open or shorted" which is code 41 IIRC, Allpar's site would tell for
sure. The Dynasty threw that code when the brushes in the alt wore out.
Had a local rebuilder (Fowler-Rowland) do brushes and bearings and it was
good as new again.

AFAIK there are 3 versions of the Denso alt. the Dynasty had the 90 amp, my
van has the 120 amp and a friend's '01 Ram 1500 has the 130 amp.


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