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From: Crash Lander on 26 Jul 2010 20:28 On Jul 26, 10:27 pm, who where <no...(a)home.net> wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Crash Lander > > > > > > <slwatso...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >On Jul 26, 10:54 am, who where <no...(a)home.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:57:14 -0700 (PDT), Crash Lander > > >> <slwatso...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >Hi guys. > >> >My 88 tarago RV 2.2L manual won't start. > >> >It's got good spark. It turns over as if it would start, but never > >> >fires. > >> >The RACV guy sprayed some carby primer stuff into the intake, and said > >> >if it was not getting fuel, it would at least fire on this stuff, and > >> >it didn't so he's ruled out a fuel issue as well. > >> >Any other suggestions? Ignition coil maybe? Aren't the coils in these > >> >things integrated into the distributor? Would the plugs still be > >> >getting spark if it was the coil? I'm a bit stumped on this one. > > >> Still under warranty? > > >No. had the car since May 8th. > > Didn't the dodgy bros dealership give you 3 months?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - No. Crash Lander
From: Crash Lander on 26 Jul 2010 20:33 On Jul 26, 10:43 pm, Doug Jewell <a...(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote: > Crash Lander wrote: > > Hi guys. > > My 88 tarago RV 2.2L manual won't start. > > It's got good spark. It turns over as if it would start, but never > > fires. > > The RACV guy sprayed some carby primer stuff into the intake, and said > > if it was not getting fuel, it would at least fire on this stuff, and > > it didn't so he's ruled out a fuel issue as well. > > Any other suggestions? Ignition coil maybe? Aren't the coils in these > > things integrated into the distributor? Would the plugs still be > > getting spark if it was the coil? I'm a bit stumped on this one. > > When you say the plugs have spark, how have you tested? If > you just removed the plug and looked for a spark, that's not > a real reliable test. It doesn't take much to make a spark > travel half a millimetre at atmospheric pressure, so a dud > coil or other ignition component will often be able to make > a spark on a removed plug, but can't make a spark under > compression. A more reliable test is to remove the lead from > the plug, pull back the hood, and look for a good long spark > from the end of the lead to the chassis - generally > somewhere around half an inch (be careful you don't get a > wallop.) > > > Crash Lander > > -- > What is the difference between a duck? Pulled the lead off a spark plug, inserted a new plug and crancked. Good strong spark was seen. Problem is sorted now it seems anyway. They called me this morning. "Mechanic": Um, your Tarago started this morning! Me: What? All by itself? "Mechanic": We load tested the battery, and it failed. We put a new battery in it and it started straight away! He claims that when a bettery has low voltage, the engine may turn over, but there may not be enough voltage to run everything adequately, such as all the injectors and everything else that needs power to get the engine running. When asked to explain why it didn't start when the racv roadside guy put his battery booster on it, he said it was probably flooded. Anyway. $59 for a new battery, and it starts. he did put a disclaimer on it by saying that it's not 100% guaranteed that was the whole problem, but at this point, it seems to have sorted it. he said see how it goes for a few weeks, rather than throwing more money at it just yet. Fingers crossed. Crash Lander
From: Crash Lander on 26 Jul 2010 20:34 On Jul 27, 12:45 am, Kev <kev...(a)optunet.com.au> wrote: > D Walford wrote: > > On 26/07/2010 3:27 PM, Crash Lander wrote: > >> On Jul 26, 3:23 pm, Kev<kev...(a)optunet.com.au> wrote: > >>> Crash Lander wrote: > >>>> On Jul 26, 11:42 am, Crash Lander<slwatso...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 26, 11:33 am, PHATRS<stoptryingt...(a)m.me> wrote: > > >>>>>> On 26/07/10 09:57, Crash Lander wrote: > > >>>>>>> Hi guys. > >>>>>>> My 88 tarago RV 2.2L manual won't start. > >>>>>>> It's got good spark. It turns over as if it would start, but never > >>>>>>> fires. > >>>>>>> The RACV guy sprayed some carby primer stuff into the intake, and > >>>>>>> said > >>>>>>> if it was not getting fuel, it would at least fire on this stuff, > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> it didn't so he's ruled out a fuel issue as well. > >>>>>>> Any other suggestions? Ignition coil maybe? Aren't the coils in > >>>>>>> these > >>>>>>> things integrated into the distributor? Would the plugs still be > >>>>>>> getting spark if it was the coil? I'm a bit stumped on this one. > >>>>>>> Crash Lander > > >>>>>> '88? Did they make cars that ran on petrol back then? I thought > >>>>>> everything from last century ran on steam. Maybe you're using the > >>>>>> wrong > >>>>>> fuel. :P > > >>>>> Yep, it was originally steam powered, but I had it converted. Even put > >>>>> some new fangled things called injectors on it. It's a flash one mate! > >>>>> Crash Lander- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> Had it towed to the RACV depot. they just called me. The conversation > >>>> went as follows: > > >>>> "Mechanic" (note use of inverted commas!) Uh, we THINK it's got a > >>>> faulty starter motor, and that's stopping it from cranking, but the > >>>> guy that attended the car last night, said it was cranking fine last > >>>> night! Right now, it's just making clicking noises and not cranking > >>>> the motor! > >>>> Me: um, that would be because it's got a flat battery mate! > >>>> "Mechanic": Oh, has it? > >>>> Me: Yes! I flattened trhe battery trying to start it yesterday, and > >>>> when the RACV guy came, he put his battery booster machine on it and > >>>> was cranking it using that! > >>>> "Mechanic:": Oh! OK, we'll I just go and check if we overlooked the > >>>> flat battery and call you back! > > >>>> Haven't heard back again yet! lol! Fucken muppets! I'm no mechanic, > >>>> but when a car won't start, even I know to check battery, spark, and > >>>> fuel first! > >>>> Crash Lander > > >>> Maybe he watches too much TV, you know where they are cranking the motor > >>> over just fine but it won't fire, so it's obviously a flat battery > > >>> Or the engine won't turn over so they open the "Hood" and check the fuel > >>> throttlebody of the EFI and get oil sprayed on them and confirm it's the > >>> carby > > >>> Kev- Hide quoted text - > > >>> - Show quoted text - > > >> Just rang them. Apparently the battery is not flat. It had a lose > >> connection somewhere, but they still can't get it to fire up. They > >> have confirmed it has spark, has fuel, and whilst they haven't done a > >> compression test, they said it certainly sounds like it has > >> compression. He's now suspecting something in the distributor. Hmmm. > >> Maybe I should go work for the RACV, considering that's what I > >> suspected it was in the first place! > >> We'll see how we go. > > > Assuming it has one could the Timing belt be snapped? > > If its got fuel and spark it also needs compression which it won't get > > if the cam isn't rotating. > > What is the engine model? > > Pretty sure they had the 4Y-E 2.2L efi same as the Hilux > I can't remember if mine had a timing belt or chain > it used to rattle like a diesel at idle which made me think it had a chain > > Kev- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Oh it can certainly be rattly at times.
From: PHATRS on 26 Jul 2010 21:44 On 27/07/10 10:33, Crash Lander wrote: > On Jul 26, 10:43 pm, Doug Jewell<a...(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote: >> Crash Lander wrote: >>> Hi guys. >>> My 88 tarago RV 2.2L manual won't start. >>> It's got good spark. It turns over as if it would start, but never >>> fires. >>> The RACV guy sprayed some carby primer stuff into the intake, and said >>> if it was not getting fuel, it would at least fire on this stuff, and >>> it didn't so he's ruled out a fuel issue as well. >>> Any other suggestions? Ignition coil maybe? Aren't the coils in these >>> things integrated into the distributor? Would the plugs still be >>> getting spark if it was the coil? I'm a bit stumped on this one. >> >> When you say the plugs have spark, how have you tested? If >> you just removed the plug and looked for a spark, that's not >> a real reliable test. It doesn't take much to make a spark >> travel half a millimetre at atmospheric pressure, so a dud >> coil or other ignition component will often be able to make >> a spark on a removed plug, but can't make a spark under >> compression. A more reliable test is to remove the lead from >> the plug, pull back the hood, and look for a good long spark >> from the end of the lead to the chassis - generally >> somewhere around half an inch (be careful you don't get a >> wallop.) >> >>> Crash Lander >> >> -- >> What is the difference between a duck? > > Pulled the lead off a spark plug, inserted a new plug and crancked. > Good strong spark was seen. > Problem is sorted now it seems anyway. They called me this morning. > "Mechanic": Um, your Tarago started this morning! > Me: What? All by itself? > "Mechanic": We load tested the battery, and it failed. We put a new > battery in it and it started straight away! > > He claims that when a bettery has low voltage, the engine may turn > over, but there may not be enough voltage to run everything > adequately, such as all the injectors and everything else that needs > power to get the engine running. When asked to explain why it didn't > start when the racv roadside guy put his battery booster on it, he > said it was probably flooded. > Anyway. $59 for a new battery, and it starts. he did put a disclaimer > on it by saying that it's not 100% guaranteed that was the whole > problem, but at this point, it seems to have sorted it. he said see > how it goes for a few weeks, rather than throwing more money at it > just yet. > Fingers crossed. > Crash Lander Does that guy seriously call himself a mechanic?! A proper mechanic would have given you a list of things that you should get fixed, and would set you back the best part of a grand. That was certainly my experience with mechanics when I had old cars - every time they went in for a service (and I had no complaints about the car) they would ring to say I better fix x or y, or both, or it would break down any day now. And sometimes they would just do it without asking. Worst culprit was a BMW "specialist" who loved finding things wrong with Mum's 1975 BMW 3.0S at every service.
From: Crash Lander on 26 Jul 2010 21:49
On Jul 27, 11:44 am, PHATRS <stoptryingt...(a)m.me> wrote: > On 27/07/10 10:33, Crash Lander wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 26, 10:43 pm, Doug Jewell<a...(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote: > >> Crash Lander wrote: > >>> Hi guys. > >>> My 88 tarago RV 2.2L manual won't start. > >>> It's got good spark. It turns over as if it would start, but never > >>> fires. > >>> The RACV guy sprayed some carby primer stuff into the intake, and said > >>> if it was not getting fuel, it would at least fire on this stuff, and > >>> it didn't so he's ruled out a fuel issue as well. > >>> Any other suggestions? Ignition coil maybe? Aren't the coils in these > >>> things integrated into the distributor? Would the plugs still be > >>> getting spark if it was the coil? I'm a bit stumped on this one. > > >> When you say the plugs have spark, how have you tested? If > >> you just removed the plug and looked for a spark, that's not > >> a real reliable test. It doesn't take much to make a spark > >> travel half a millimetre at atmospheric pressure, so a dud > >> coil or other ignition component will often be able to make > >> a spark on a removed plug, but can't make a spark under > >> compression. A more reliable test is to remove the lead from > >> the plug, pull back the hood, and look for a good long spark > >> from the end of the lead to the chassis - generally > >> somewhere around half an inch (be careful you don't get a > >> wallop.) > > >>> Crash Lander > > >> -- > >> What is the difference between a duck? > > > Pulled the lead off a spark plug, inserted a new plug and crancked. > > Good strong spark was seen. > > Problem is sorted now it seems anyway. They called me this morning. > > "Mechanic": Um, your Tarago started this morning! > > Me: What? All by itself? > > "Mechanic": We load tested the battery, and it failed. We put a new > > battery in it and it started straight away! > > > He claims that when a bettery has low voltage, the engine may turn > > over, but there may not be enough voltage to run everything > > adequately, such as all the injectors and everything else that needs > > power to get the engine running. When asked to explain why it didn't > > start when the racv roadside guy put his battery booster on it, he > > said it was probably flooded. > > Anyway. $59 for a new battery, and it starts. he did put a disclaimer > > on it by saying that it's not 100% guaranteed that was the whole > > problem, but at this point, it seems to have sorted it. he said see > > how it goes for a few weeks, rather than throwing more money at it > > just yet. > > Fingers crossed. > > Crash Lander > > Does that guy seriously call himself a mechanic?! > > A proper mechanic would have given you a list of things that you should > get fixed, and would set you back the best part of a grand. > > That was certainly my experience with mechanics when I had old cars - > every time they went in for a service (and I had no complaints about the > car) they would ring to say I better fix x or y, or both, or it would > break down any day now. And sometimes they would just do it without > asking. Worst culprit was a BMW "specialist" who loved finding things > wrong with Mum's 1975 BMW 3.0S at every service.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - and to clarify, it was $159 for the battery, not $59. I wish!! Crash Lander |