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From: Harry Bloomfield on 1 Aug 2010 16:01 Adrian formulated on Sunday : > Gordon H <Gordon_News(a)g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: > >>> Climate control is merely the automatic control of air temp/direction >>> flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature with minimal user >>> intervention. It's just a front-end control to the same old back-end. A >>> hot-water heater matrix and an aircon evaporator. > >> I have that, and it's better than what I experience when I travel in >> cars where the driver has to switch the a/c on and off in a vain attempt >> to maintain comfort. > > ITYM "where the driver doesn't know how to use the controls in their car > properly" Whether heating or cooling, the driver still has to intervene to adjust the controls frequently when there is only manual. Climate control handles it all perfectly, you only rarely need to alter it. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
From: Harry Bloomfield on 1 Aug 2010 16:02 Mrcheerful explained on 01/08/2010 : > The Peeler wrote: >> On 1 Aug 2010 08:17:38 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The Peeler <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> gurgled happily, sounding much >>> like they were saying: >>> >>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be >>>>> as close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It is >>>>> achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and sometimes >>>>> humidify the air in an environment. >>> >>>> You're thinking of "climate control". >>> >>> Climate control is merely the automatic control of air temp/direction >>> flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature with minimal user >>> intervention. >> >> That "minimal user intervention" being the desired comfort level set >> by the user. Not automatic, then. > > yes, it is on my car at least, it reacts to sunlight levels, temp. levels and > humidity levels in conjunction with ambient temp. monitoring, varying flaps, > heat blend, delivery speed all on its own, on some cars it is multi zone > (next year up for mine) You only need to set what temperature you desire and it does the rest for you, that so far as I am concerned is automatic. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
From: Chris Whelan on 1 Aug 2010 17:14 On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 13:48:48 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote: [...] >> that was the first vehicle I drove (when I was six) column change, >> sliding doors, nice hot engine cover, that little flap to check the >> water with a lovely little handle that used to catch your skin as you >> twisted it and give you a blood blister. > > AND IIRC it had flaps on the scuttle to open and let the breeze in Yep, three speed column change! It had an advantage over the main competition, the Ford Thames, in that it had synchro first. The Thames was faster, but was several degrees worse in every other aspect. Chris -- Remove prejudice to reply.
From: Mrcheerful on 2 Aug 2010 04:22 Harry Bloomfield wrote: > Mrcheerful explained on 01/08/2010 : >> The Peeler wrote: >>> On 1 Aug 2010 08:17:38 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The Peeler <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> gurgled happily, sounding >>>> much like they were saying: >>>> >>>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be >>>>>> as close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It >>>>>> is achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and >>>>>> sometimes humidify the air in an environment. >>>> >>>>> You're thinking of "climate control". >>>> >>>> Climate control is merely the automatic control of air >>>> temp/direction flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature >>>> with minimal user intervention. >>> >>> That "minimal user intervention" being the desired comfort level set >>> by the user. Not automatic, then. >> >> yes, it is on my car at least, it reacts to sunlight levels, temp. >> levels and humidity levels in conjunction with ambient temp. >> monitoring, varying flaps, heat blend, delivery speed all on its >> own, on some cars it is multi zone (next year up for mine) > > You only need to set what temperature you desire and it does the rest > for you, that so far as I am concerned is automatic. just like when you select 'drive' on an automatic gearbox.
From: John on 6 Aug 2010 11:11
"Peter Hill" <peter.usenet1(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:n9ca565a0h7cjp1sbiqdq0o0nujuu27b69(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:58:07 +0100, "Mrcheerful" > <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >>The Peeler wrote: >>> On 31 Jul 2010 15:03:19 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The Peeler <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> gurgled happily, sounding much >>>> like they were saying: >>>> >>>>>>>>> You need AC up there??? >>>> >>>>>>>> Don't forget how good it is at clearing misted windows on damp >>>>>>>> days... >>>> >>>>>>> Wouldn't external cold air (do they ever get anything else?) >>>>>>> coming through the vents have the same effect? >>>> >>>>>> Nowhere near as effectively. >>>>>> >>>>>> Aircon doesn't just cool the air, but dries it, too - so the air >>>>>> blowing at the 'screen is warm, bone-dry air. Perfect for clearing >>>>>> misting almost instantly. >>>> >>>>> Warm aircon??? >>>> >>>> Umm, have you ever owned a car with aircon? >>> >>> Umm, yes. Have you? Warm aircon sounds like a contradiction in >>> terms. > > It's what makes the difference between "full" air con and a > cooler/chiller. The cooler always works at full capacity and only > switches off when freezing of water vapour could cause damage to > cooler matrix (about 3�C/37.4�F air exit temp). You really don't want > to sit in a box at 3�C/37.4�F for very long. > > All cars with "climate control" have heat as it has to heat the air > back up to desired temp. > > AFAIK UK is the only market in the world that demanded and got > "solair" - sunroof and air con as a standard fitment. Anywhere else in > the world would have to buy a car with air con and have the sunroof > fitted by the dealer as an option. > >> major manufacturers such as Ford have the system set so that air con. >>operates automatically if max. demist is selected. > > Car ventilation systems have different arrangements depending on > market. > > eg from a factory service manual > Setting , not UK/EU , UK/EU > Vent, 100% dash vents , 100% dash vents > B/L , 60% dash vent / 40% floor , 64% dash vent / 36% floor > Foot , 63% foot / 37% screen , 50% foot / 22% screen / 28% vent > Def/foot , 50% screen / 50% foot , 41% screen / 38% foot / 21% vent > Def , 100% screen , 72% screen / 28% vent. > > There was no setting on UK/EU vent system that stopped dash vent flow. > > And it doesn't stop at vent systems, if you buy a grey market / import > car you may not get everything a UK/EU car has. Like engine oil/water > heat exchanger, diff oil cooler, trans cooler (300ZX had cooler on > manual transmission for EU) etc. This can affect how the car copes > with higher average speeds in EU. Cars sold in Germany often have > solenoid loading devices to reduce screen wiper lift at speeds in > excess of 75mph. Aerodynamic devices that operate at 70mph in EU are > adjusted to work at 50mph in UK. Japanese car engine's cooling systems > may not have capacity of EU/UK system as it only has to cope with > engine management system limited 180km/h (112mph) max speed and > repeated accel/decel still can't overload it. Even in the UK there can > be local variations, cars sold in Scotland often have an additional > petrol fuelled Scandinavian type heater fitted (I'm not sure if they > are getting Swedish/Norwegian spec cars or if this is a dealer > option). > -- > Peter Hill > Spamtrap reply domain as per NNTP-Posting-Host in header > Can of worms - what every fisherman wants. > Can of worms - what every PC owner gets! Interesting off shoot. Other markets sometimes don't have remote locking / immobilisers. |