From: The Peeler on
On 1 Aug 2010 08:17:38 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>The Peeler <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> gurgled happily, sounding much like
>they were saying:
>
>>>It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be as
>>>close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It is
>>>achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and sometimes humidify
>>>the air in an environment.
>
>> You're thinking of "climate control".
>
>Climate control is merely the automatic control of air temp/direction
>flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature with minimal user
>intervention.

That "minimal user intervention" being the desired comfort level set
by the user. Not automatic, then.
From: Adrian on
The Peeler <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>>> You're thinking of "climate control".

>>Climate control is merely the automatic control of air temp/direction
>>flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature with minimal user
>>intervention.

> That "minimal user intervention" being the desired comfort level set by
> the user. Not automatic, then.

I don't think they've invented systems which can psychically determine
what temperature you want the air to be at. Not yet, anyway.
From: Mrcheerful on
Mrcheerful wrote:
> Chris Whelan wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:43:49 +0100, Clot wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Ah remember when there werent no eater int car. 'Twas so difficult
>>> drivin dharn road. Them bloody kids spent all their time drawing
>>> cartoons ont side winders.
>>>
>>> We still have an air pressure screenwash, purchased new from a VW
>>> Dealer, not from a scrappie and stick-on rear screen heater A35 four
>>> door!
>>>
>>> Them were the days!
>>
>> I owned and used a Bedford CA van in the late 60's that had no
>> heater; it was grim!
>>
>> Chris
>
> that was the first vehicle I drove (when I was six) column change,
> sliding doors, nice hot engine cover, that little flap to check the
> water with a lovely little handle that used to catch your skin as you
> twisted it and give you a blood blister.

AND IIRC it had flaps on the scuttle to open and let the breeze in


From: The Peeler on
On 1 Aug 2010 12:38:25 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>The Peeler <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> gurgled happily, sounding much like
>they were saying:
>
>>>> You're thinking of "climate control".
>
>>>Climate control is merely the automatic control of air temp/direction
>>>flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature with minimal user
>>>intervention.
>
>> That "minimal user intervention" being the desired comfort level set by
>> the user. Not automatic, then.
>
>I don't think they've invented systems which can psychically determine
>what temperature you want the air to be at. Not yet, anyway.

Quite so. Not automatic, then.
From: Mrcheerful on
The Peeler wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:57:55 GMT, Chris Whelan
> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:13:34 +0800, The Peeler wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:59:55 GMT, Chris Whelan
>>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:43:48 +0800, The Peeler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Umm, yes. Have you? Warm aircon sounds like a contradiction in
>>>>> terms.
>>>>
>>>> What is "aircon" an abbreviation for? Air *conditioning*. *Not*
>>>> "air *cooling*!
>>>
>>> And you condition the air by cooling it.
>>
>> Or heating it. Or sometimes by adding moisture to it.
>
> That's a heater and a humidifier, respectively.
>
>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be
>>>> as close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It is
>>>> achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and sometimes
>>>> humidify the air in an environment.
>>>
>>> You're thinking of "climate control".
>>
>> How do you know what I'm thinking?
>
> You can't be thinking of air conditioning. Here's a picture of an air
> conditioner:
> http://www.walmart.com/ip/12000-BTU-Frigidaire-Air-Conditioner/10999795
> It doesn't heat the air or humidifiy it. It only cools it and dries
> it.
>
>> Air conditioning in general (not necessarily automotive) terms means
>> everything I list above;
>
> Apparently not.
>
>> "climate control" means having an automatic
>> control system to mange [sic] all of that without user intervention.
>
> No, "climate control" is controlled by the user according to desired
> comfort levels.
>
> How can you people know anything about air conditioning anyway?
> You don't have it in your homes, and you don't need it.

I have, a great big FO three phase unit from a restaurant, it is on now and
the whole house is comfortable. This year has had particularly high levels
of 'unpleasant heat, really humid and yucky. Without air con sleep must be
very difficult in most homes at the moment in the UK