From: Mrcheerful on
The Peeler wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2010 08:17:38 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Peeler <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> gurgled happily, sounding much
>> like they were saying:
>>
>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be
>>>> as close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It is
>>>> achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and sometimes
>>>> humidify the air in an environment.
>>
>>> You're thinking of "climate control".
>>
>> Climate control is merely the automatic control of air temp/direction
>> flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature with minimal user
>> intervention.
>
> That "minimal user intervention" being the desired comfort level set
> by the user. Not automatic, then.

yes, it is on my car at least, it reacts to sunlight levels, temp. levels
and humidity levels in conjunction with ambient temp. monitoring, varying
flaps, heat blend, delivery speed all on its own, on some cars it is multi
zone (next year up for mine)


From: Duncan Wood on
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 13:33:00 +0100, The Peeler <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin>
wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:57:55 GMT, Chris Whelan
> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:13:34 +0800, The Peeler wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:59:55 GMT, Chris Whelan
>>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:43:48 +0800, The Peeler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Umm, yes. Have you? Warm aircon sounds like a contradiction in
>>>>> terms.
>>>>
>>>> What is "aircon" an abbreviation for? Air *conditioning*. *Not* "air
>>>> *cooling*!
>>>
>>> And you condition the air by cooling it.
>>
>> Or heating it. Or sometimes by adding moisture to it.
>
> That's a heater and a humidifier, respectively.
>
>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be as
>>>> close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It is
>>>> achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and sometimes
>>>> humidify
>>>> the air in an environment.
>>>
>>> You're thinking of "climate control".
>>
>> How do you know what I'm thinking?
>
> You can't be thinking of air conditioning. Here's a picture of an air
> conditioner:
> http://www.walmart.com/ip/12000-BTU-Frigidaire-Air-Conditioner/10999795
> It doesn't heat the air or humidifiy it. It only cools it and dries
> it.
>
>> Air conditioning in general (not necessarily automotive) terms means
>> everything I list above;
>
> Apparently not.
>
>> "climate control" means having an automatic
>> control system to mange [sic] all of that without user intervention.
>
> No, "climate control" is controlled by the user according to desired
> comfort levels.
>
> How can you people know anything about air conditioning anyway?
> You don't have it in your homes, and you don't need it.

Oddly enough we've worked out that you can run it both ways.
http://www.mitsubishi-aircon.co.uk/mitsubishi_electric.asp?id=173509&smn=000000000000227034
From: Gordon H on
In message <reqa5654agsf2qees313ocri8kllv8pj1r(a)4ax.com>, The Peeler
<peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> writes
>On 1 Aug 2010 08:17:38 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Climate control is merely the automatic control of air temp/direction
>>flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature with minimal user
>>intervention.
>
>That "minimal user intervention" being the desired comfort level set
>by the user. Not automatic, then.

If there was no user input it would be bleedin' useless!
You have to set the desired temperature on any heating/air conditioning
unit to the comfort level you want.

In my car I just set the temperature required and the CC unit maintains
it AUTOMATICALLY.
--
Gordon H
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From: The Peeler on
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:25:31 +0100, "Duncan Wood"
<nntpnews(a)dmx512.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 13:33:00 +0100, The Peeler <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin>
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:57:55 GMT, Chris Whelan
>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:13:34 +0800, The Peeler wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:59:55 GMT, Chris Whelan
>>>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:43:48 +0800, The Peeler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Umm, yes. Have you? Warm aircon sounds like a contradiction in
>>>>>> terms.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is "aircon" an abbreviation for? Air *conditioning*. *Not* "air
>>>>> *cooling*!
>>>>
>>>> And you condition the air by cooling it.
>>>
>>> Or heating it. Or sometimes by adding moisture to it.
>>
>> That's a heater and a humidifier, respectively.
>>
>>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be as
>>>>> close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It is
>>>>> achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and sometimes
>>>>> humidify
>>>>> the air in an environment.
>>>>
>>>> You're thinking of "climate control".
>>>
>>> How do you know what I'm thinking?
>>
>> You can't be thinking of air conditioning. Here's a picture of an air
>> conditioner:
>> http://www.walmart.com/ip/12000-BTU-Frigidaire-Air-Conditioner/10999795
>> It doesn't heat the air or humidifiy it. It only cools it and dries
>> it.
>>
>>> Air conditioning in general (not necessarily automotive) terms means
>>> everything I list above;
>>
>> Apparently not.
>>
>>> "climate control" means having an automatic
>>> control system to mange [sic] all of that without user intervention.
>>
>> No, "climate control" is controlled by the user according to desired
>> comfort levels.
>>
>> How can you people know anything about air conditioning anyway?
>> You don't have it in your homes, and you don't need it.
>
>Oddly enough we've worked out that you can run it both ways.
>http://www.mitsubishi-aircon.co.uk/mitsubishi_electric.asp?id=173509&smn=000000000000227034

Looks like a heat pump to me. I have one here.
From: The Peeler on
On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 13:51:43 +0100, "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>The Peeler wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:57:55 GMT, Chris Whelan
>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:13:34 +0800, The Peeler wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:59:55 GMT, Chris Whelan
>>>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:43:48 +0800, The Peeler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Umm, yes. Have you? Warm aircon sounds like a contradiction in
>>>>>> terms.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is "aircon" an abbreviation for? Air *conditioning*. *Not*
>>>>> "air *cooling*!
>>>>
>>>> And you condition the air by cooling it.
>>>
>>> Or heating it. Or sometimes by adding moisture to it.
>>
>> That's a heater and a humidifier, respectively.
>>
>>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be
>>>>> as close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It is
>>>>> achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and sometimes
>>>>> humidify the air in an environment.
>>>>
>>>> You're thinking of "climate control".
>>>
>>> How do you know what I'm thinking?
>>
>> You can't be thinking of air conditioning. Here's a picture of an air
>> conditioner:
>> http://www.walmart.com/ip/12000-BTU-Frigidaire-Air-Conditioner/10999795
>> It doesn't heat the air or humidifiy it. It only cools it and dries
>> it.
>>
>>> Air conditioning in general (not necessarily automotive) terms means
>>> everything I list above;
>>
>> Apparently not.
>>
>>> "climate control" means having an automatic
>>> control system to mange [sic] all of that without user intervention.
>>
>> No, "climate control" is controlled by the user according to desired
>> comfort levels.
>>
>> How can you people know anything about air conditioning anyway?
>> You don't have it in your homes, and you don't need it.
>
>I have, a great big FO three phase unit from a restaurant, it is on now and
>the whole house is comfortable. This year has had particularly high levels
>of 'unpleasant heat, really humid and yucky. Without air con sleep must be
>very difficult in most homes at the moment in the UK

And yet most UK homes don't have any. Over here it's a necessity.