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From: The Peeler on 1 Aug 2010 10:54 On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:12:25 +0100, Gordon H <Gordon_News(a)g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >In message <reqa5654agsf2qees313ocri8kllv8pj1r(a)4ax.com>, The Peeler ><peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> writes >>On 1 Aug 2010 08:17:38 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>Climate control is merely the automatic control of air temp/direction >>>flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature with minimal user >>>intervention. >> >>That "minimal user intervention" being the desired comfort level set >>by the user. Not automatic, then. > >If there was no user input it would be bleedin' useless! Precisely. >You have to set the desired temperature on any heating/air conditioning >unit to the comfort level you want. Excellent. >In my car I just set the temperature required and the CC unit maintains >it AUTOMATICALLY. Congratulations.
From: The Peeler on 1 Aug 2010 10:54 On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 13:55:36 +0100, "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >The Peeler wrote: >> On 1 Aug 2010 08:17:38 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The Peeler <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> gurgled happily, sounding much >>> like they were saying: >>> >>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be >>>>> as close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It is >>>>> achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and sometimes >>>>> humidify the air in an environment. >>> >>>> You're thinking of "climate control". >>> >>> Climate control is merely the automatic control of air temp/direction >>> flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature with minimal user >>> intervention. >> >> That "minimal user intervention" being the desired comfort level set >> by the user. Not automatic, then. > >yes, it is on my car at least, it reacts to sunlight levels, temp. levels >and humidity levels in conjunction with ambient temp. monitoring, varying >flaps, heat blend, delivery speed all on its own, on some cars it is multi >zone (next year up for mine) So you don't get to choose your 'comfort level'?
From: Mrcheerful on 1 Aug 2010 13:53 The Peeler wrote: > On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 13:51:43 +0100, "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> > wrote: > >> The Peeler wrote: >>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:57:55 GMT, Chris Whelan >>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:13:34 +0800, The Peeler wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:59:55 GMT, Chris Whelan >>>>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:43:48 +0800, The Peeler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>>> Umm, yes. Have you? Warm aircon sounds like a contradiction in >>>>>>> terms. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is "aircon" an abbreviation for? Air *conditioning*. *Not* >>>>>> "air *cooling*! >>>>> >>>>> And you condition the air by cooling it. >>>> >>>> Or heating it. Or sometimes by adding moisture to it. >>> >>> That's a heater and a humidifier, respectively. >>> >>>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be >>>>>> as close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It >>>>>> is achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and >>>>>> sometimes humidify the air in an environment. >>>>> >>>>> You're thinking of "climate control". >>>> >>>> How do you know what I'm thinking? >>> >>> You can't be thinking of air conditioning. Here's a picture of an >>> air conditioner: >>> http://www.walmart.com/ip/12000-BTU-Frigidaire-Air-Conditioner/10999795 >>> It doesn't heat the air or humidifiy it. It only cools it and dries >>> it. >>> >>>> Air conditioning in general (not necessarily automotive) terms >>>> means everything I list above; >>> >>> Apparently not. >>> >>>> "climate control" means having an automatic >>>> control system to mange [sic] all of that without user >>>> intervention. >>> >>> No, "climate control" is controlled by the user according to desired >>> comfort levels. >>> >>> How can you people know anything about air conditioning anyway? >>> You don't have it in your homes, and you don't need it. >> >> I have, a great big FO three phase unit from a restaurant, it is on >> now and the whole house is comfortable. This year has had >> particularly high levels of 'unpleasant heat, really humid and >> yucky. Without air con sleep must be very difficult in most homes >> at the moment in the UK > > And yet most UK homes don't have any. Over here it's a necessity. year on year it has become more essential, it used to be (20 years ago) that some years it would not be needed at all (except as a heat pump) now it is needed from april through to october for cooling, especially at night. R22 has just been outlawed here (but I have a spare bottle and a half), so if it goes badly wrong it will need complete replacement in all probability, but I will replace it, I too regard it now as a necessity. It could be a good business to get into over here, but I have found people are very resistant at present to accepting it for their homes, the good old British: 'we can put up with anything' yet complain like mad about the heat!!
From: The Peeler on 1 Aug 2010 14:13 On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:53:29 +0100, "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >The Peeler wrote: >> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 13:51:43 +0100, "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> The Peeler wrote: >>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:57:55 GMT, Chris Whelan >>>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:13:34 +0800, The Peeler wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:59:55 GMT, Chris Whelan >>>>>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:43:48 +0800, The Peeler wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Umm, yes. Have you? Warm aircon sounds like a contradiction in >>>>>>>> terms. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is "aircon" an abbreviation for? Air *conditioning*. *Not* >>>>>>> "air *cooling*! >>>>>> >>>>>> And you condition the air by cooling it. >>>>> >>>>> Or heating it. Or sometimes by adding moisture to it. >>>> >>>> That's a heater and a humidifier, respectively. >>>> >>>>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to be >>>>>>> as close to the desired temperature and humidity as possible. It >>>>>>> is achieved by being able to heat, cool, dehumidify, and >>>>>>> sometimes humidify the air in an environment. >>>>>> >>>>>> You're thinking of "climate control". >>>>> >>>>> How do you know what I'm thinking? >>>> >>>> You can't be thinking of air conditioning. Here's a picture of an >>>> air conditioner: >>>> http://www.walmart.com/ip/12000-BTU-Frigidaire-Air-Conditioner/10999795 >>>> It doesn't heat the air or humidifiy it. It only cools it and dries >>>> it. >>>> >>>>> Air conditioning in general (not necessarily automotive) terms >>>>> means everything I list above; >>>> >>>> Apparently not. >>>> >>>>> "climate control" means having an automatic >>>>> control system to mange [sic] all of that without user >>>>> intervention. >>>> >>>> No, "climate control" is controlled by the user according to desired >>>> comfort levels. >>>> >>>> How can you people know anything about air conditioning anyway? >>>> You don't have it in your homes, and you don't need it. >>> >>> I have, a great big FO three phase unit from a restaurant, it is on >>> now and the whole house is comfortable. This year has had >>> particularly high levels of 'unpleasant heat, really humid and >>> yucky. Without air con sleep must be very difficult in most homes >>> at the moment in the UK >> >> And yet most UK homes don't have any. Over here it's a necessity. > >year on year it has become more essential, it used to be (20 years ago) that >some years it would not be needed at all (except as a heat pump) now it is >needed from april through to october for cooling, especially at night. "Phew, what a scorcher!" >R22 >has just been outlawed here (but I have a spare bottle and a half), so if it >goes badly wrong it will need complete replacement in all probability, but I >will replace it, I too regard it now as a necessity. It could be a good >business to get into over here, but I have found people are very resistant >at present to accepting it for their homes, the good old British: 'we can >put up with anything' yet complain like mad about the heat!! Can't you get R22 online from the US? It won't be outlawed there until the year 2020.
From: Mrcheerful on 1 Aug 2010 15:40
The Peeler wrote: > On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:53:29 +0100, "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> > wrote: > >> The Peeler wrote: >>> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 13:51:43 +0100, "Mrcheerful" >>> <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> The Peeler wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:57:55 GMT, Chris Whelan >>>>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:13:34 +0800, The Peeler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:59:55 GMT, Chris Whelan >>>>>>> <cawhelan(a)prejudicentlworld.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:43:48 +0800, The Peeler wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Umm, yes. Have you? Warm aircon sounds like a contradiction >>>>>>>>> in terms. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is "aircon" an abbreviation for? Air *conditioning*. *Not* >>>>>>>> "air *cooling*! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And you condition the air by cooling it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Or heating it. Or sometimes by adding moisture to it. >>>>> >>>>> That's a heater and a humidifier, respectively. >>>>> >>>>>>>> It means a system that will allow the air in an environment to >>>>>>>> be as close to the desired temperature and humidity as >>>>>>>> possible. It is achieved by being able to heat, cool, >>>>>>>> dehumidify, and sometimes humidify the air in an environment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're thinking of "climate control". >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you know what I'm thinking? >>>>> >>>>> You can't be thinking of air conditioning. Here's a picture of an >>>>> air conditioner: >>>>> http://www.walmart.com/ip/12000-BTU-Frigidaire-Air-Conditioner/10999795 >>>>> It doesn't heat the air or humidifiy it. It only cools it and >>>>> dries it. >>>>> >>>>>> Air conditioning in general (not necessarily automotive) terms >>>>>> means everything I list above; >>>>> >>>>> Apparently not. >>>>> >>>>>> "climate control" means having an automatic >>>>>> control system to mange [sic] all of that without user >>>>>> intervention. >>>>> >>>>> No, "climate control" is controlled by the user according to >>>>> desired comfort levels. >>>>> >>>>> How can you people know anything about air conditioning anyway? >>>>> You don't have it in your homes, and you don't need it. >>>> >>>> I have, a great big FO three phase unit from a restaurant, it is on >>>> now and the whole house is comfortable. This year has had >>>> particularly high levels of 'unpleasant heat, really humid and >>>> yucky. Without air con sleep must be very difficult in most homes >>>> at the moment in the UK >>> >>> And yet most UK homes don't have any. Over here it's a necessity. >> >> year on year it has become more essential, it used to be (20 years >> ago) that some years it would not be needed at all (except as a heat >> pump) now it is needed from april through to october for cooling, >> especially at night. > > "Phew, what a scorcher!" > >> R22 >> has just been outlawed here (but I have a spare bottle and a half), >> so if it goes badly wrong it will need complete replacement in all >> probability, but I will replace it, I too regard it now as a >> necessity. It could be a good business to get into over here, but I >> have found people are very resistant at present to accepting it for >> their homes, the good old British: 'we can put up with anything' yet >> complain like mad about the heat!! > > Can't you get R22 online from the US? It won't be outlawed there > until the year 2020. no, it is now illegal to import, we can still get reclaimed r22 but the price has risen from 40 pounds for 13 kg to 800 !! I am keeping my eye out for someone with some old stock to unload. even r12 turns up now and again. of course if I got to know someone from a US air base : they just bring it in on transport aircraft, makes a bit of a mockery of the ban. |