From: JNugent on 7 Feb 2010 20:09
Ian Dalziel wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:10:42 +0000, JNugent
> <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>> Ian Dalziel wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:49:46 +0000, JNugent
>>> <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>>>> Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>>> In message <ws-dnYXDL5tSMvPWnZ2dnUVZ7rVi4p2d(a)giganews.com>, Ray Keattch
>>>>> <r.keattch5050(a)btinternet.com> writes
>>>>>> Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>> I rarely 'invite' undertakers! However, if they can't resist the urge
>>>>>>> to undertake you, all for the sake of one or two hundred yards of
>>>>>>> sliproad, just let them. You'll soon catch them up - sitting
>>>>>>> immediately in front of you, waiting to enter the roundabout.
>>>>>> There is a much chance they will find a gap to use when they get to
>>>>>> the roundabout that you miss. If someone can pass you on the left,
>>>>>> you are in the wrong lane.
>>>>> Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear....
>>>> Why the sarcasm?
>>>> *If* there are two lanes, and if they both lead to the same place in the same
>>>> direction, and if you are in a right-hand lane such that someone can pass you
>>>> whilst using the left-hand lane, you are in the wrong lane, as the PP observed.
>>> So if you're approaching a roundabout intending to turn right you
>>> should be in the left-hand lane? I think not.
>> In that case, those lanes don't "lead to the same place". I worded my post
> They most certainly do, unless a roundabout can be in more than one
> place at the same time. I think you should have worded it a little
> more carefully.
TYhere is a limit to how many caveats can be added to a ten-word sentence
without over-egging it. Careful wording is usually enough.
From: Harry Bloomfield on 8 Feb 2010 11:31
DavidR submitted this idea :
> Oh, to you and Harry in particular, notice that there are 4 vehicles exiting
> east which are not following the Highway Code's (daft) suggestion to spiral
Three definite and a fourth possible all pulling off the roundabout
from L2 and staying in L2 at the exit. Poor lane discipline in my
opinion and leaves them open to those waiting to enter the roundabout
(from the N/E) misunderstanding their intentions. If L1 is empty, then
it should be used.
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
From: Harry Bloomfield on 8 Feb 2010 12:12
It happens that Ian Jackson formulated :
> Why move into a lane where you know that the traffic is becoming stationary?
> There's no harm in keeping to Lane 1, provided you realise that you need to
> be careful when undertaking. Don't crawl - just take it easy, and resist the
> temptation to hack past the slower Lane 2 traffic at high speed.
Did I suggest otherwise?
>> Use the left lane, there will always be a gap to be found in the right lane
>> to pull into.
> And if there isn't, then you'll make one!
There is always space, without need to force your way in!
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
From: DavidR on 8 Feb 2010 17:47
"JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote
> I must have misunderstood you when you said that plenty of roundabouts are
> dual carriageways. I can see a dual-carriageway leading onto that
> roundabout, but the roundabout has only one carriageway. I was expecting a
> souped-up version of the Swindon or Hemel Hempstead "magic roundabouts".
Oh, very well, it is a two lane cariageway. Whatever.
From: DavidR on 8 Feb 2010 18:21
"Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote
> DavidR submitted this idea :
>> Oh, to you and Harry in particular, notice that there are 4 vehicles
>> east which are not following the Highway Code's (daft) suggestion to
> Three definite and a fourth possible all pulling off the roundabout
Other than with an unfeasable sidestep, the fourth couldn't possibly reach
L1 until after the exit. Just draw a straight line from it to the L1 apex.
> from L2 and staying in L2 at the exit. Poor lane discipline in my opinion
> and leaves them open to those waiting to enter the roundabout (from the
> N/E) misunderstanding their intentions.
Staying in lane is usually regarded as good lane discipline. If you entered
from the south in L2, where would you make your lane change? (Bearing in
mind that the curves would turn it into a lane meander.)
Notice how much space there is between the entry and L2 so if an intention
was misunderstood, where is the point of conflict?
>If L1 is empty, then it should be used.
What is L2 for if not to be used?