From: DavidR on
"DavidR" <curedham(a)4bidden.org.uk> wrote
> "Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote in

>> I don't think so. The arrows on the road which enters the roundabout from
>> the east are not too clear,
>
> I will double check on the ground. It is actually quite rare for anybody
> (even the go ahead types) to use the right hand lane when it's flowing.

As you were. Since I have no interest in going straight on, my only concerns
are the conditions for a left turn (and if I did encounter someone going
straight on from the left lane, I would just work round it). The sign
boards ahead of the roundabout are clear enough to make the painted arrows
redundant.


From: Adrian on
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

> If you want to experience there the ultimate thrill in lane confusion
> and spectacular proliferation of traffic lights, it's worth a visit to
> the roundabouts at J2 and J4 of the M40. I'm convinced that the
> 'architects' of these schemes have shares in the companies which
> manufacturer road paint and traffic lights.

Eh? Beaconsfield and Handy Cross? What's the problem with them?
From: Ian Jackson on
In message <7tck5lFhthU4(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian
<toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes
>Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily,
>sounding much like they were saying:
>
>> If you want to experience there the ultimate thrill in lane confusion
>> and spectacular proliferation of traffic lights, it's worth a visit to
>> the roundabouts at J2 and J4 of the M40. I'm convinced that the
>> 'architects' of these schemes have shares in the companies which
>> manufacturer road paint and traffic lights.
>
>Eh? Beaconsfield and Handy Cross? What's the problem with them?

If you select the correct lane when coming up to the traffic lights, you
find that you are nearly always in the wrong lane immediately after you
have gone through the them. Then there's the 'interesting' feature of
the intersecting lane markings, which gaily cross and criss-cross each
other. Any attempt at normal discipline has to be abandoned.
Unfortunately, there are no up-to-date aerial photos of either junction.
--
Ian
From: Adrian on
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

>>> If you want to experience there the ultimate thrill in lane confusion
>>> and spectacular proliferation of traffic lights, it's worth a visit to
>>> the roundabouts at J2 and J4 of the M40. I'm convinced that the
>>> 'architects' of these schemes have shares in the companies which
>>> manufacturer road paint and traffic lights.

>>Eh? Beaconsfield and Handy Cross? What's the problem with them?

> If you select the correct lane when coming up to the traffic lights, you
> find that you are nearly always in the wrong lane immediately after you
> have gone through the them. Then there's the 'interesting' feature of
> the intersecting lane markings, which gaily cross and criss-cross each
> other. Any attempt at normal discipline has to be abandoned.

Can't say I've ever had any particular problem with either - and I use
both regularly.

> Unfortunately, there are no up-to-date aerial photos of either junction.

Beaconsfield, post services, doesn't seem to be anywhere yet, but
local.live.com's Bird's Eye view has the updated Handy Cross junction
layout - and the markings all appear consistent and logical to me from
the shots, as they always have "on the ground".
From: Ian Jackson on
In message <7tco9uFm6iU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian
<toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes
>Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily,
>sounding much like they were saying:
>
>>>> If you want to experience there the ultimate thrill in lane confusion
>>>> and spectacular proliferation of traffic lights, it's worth a visit to
>>>> the roundabouts at J2 and J4 of the M40. I'm convinced that the
>>>> 'architects' of these schemes have shares in the companies which
>>>> manufacturer road paint and traffic lights.
>
>>>Eh? Beaconsfield and Handy Cross? What's the problem with them?
>
>> If you select the correct lane when coming up to the traffic lights, you
>> find that you are nearly always in the wrong lane immediately after you
>> have gone through the them. Then there's the 'interesting' feature of
>> the intersecting lane markings, which gaily cross and criss-cross each
>> other. Any attempt at normal discipline has to be abandoned.
>
>Can't say I've ever had any particular problem with either - and I use
>both regularly.
>
>> Unfortunately, there are no up-to-date aerial photos of either junction.
>
>Beaconsfield, post services, doesn't seem to be anywhere yet, but
>local.live.com's Bird's Eye view has the updated Handy Cross junction
>layout - and the markings all appear consistent and logical to me from
>the shots, as they always have "on the ground".

The resolution of the Handy Cross roundabout isn't really good enough to
show the intersecting lane markings. In fact, you can hardly see them.
It's far, far worse than it seems!!
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Ian