From: DavidR on 8 Feb 2010 18:22 "DavidR" <curedham(a)4bidden.org.uk> wrote > "Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote in >> I don't think so. The arrows on the road which enters the roundabout from >> the east are not too clear, > > I will double check on the ground. It is actually quite rare for anybody > (even the go ahead types) to use the right hand lane when it's flowing. As you were. Since I have no interest in going straight on, my only concerns are the conditions for a left turn (and if I did encounter someone going straight on from the left lane, I would just work round it). The sign boards ahead of the roundabout are clear enough to make the painted arrows redundant.
From: Adrian on 9 Feb 2010 03:20 Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > If you want to experience there the ultimate thrill in lane confusion > and spectacular proliferation of traffic lights, it's worth a visit to > the roundabouts at J2 and J4 of the M40. I'm convinced that the > 'architects' of these schemes have shares in the companies which > manufacturer road paint and traffic lights. Eh? Beaconsfield and Handy Cross? What's the problem with them?
From: Ian Jackson on 9 Feb 2010 03:52 In message <7tck5lFhthU4(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes >Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily, >sounding much like they were saying: > >> If you want to experience there the ultimate thrill in lane confusion >> and spectacular proliferation of traffic lights, it's worth a visit to >> the roundabouts at J2 and J4 of the M40. I'm convinced that the >> 'architects' of these schemes have shares in the companies which >> manufacturer road paint and traffic lights. > >Eh? Beaconsfield and Handy Cross? What's the problem with them? If you select the correct lane when coming up to the traffic lights, you find that you are nearly always in the wrong lane immediately after you have gone through the them. Then there's the 'interesting' feature of the intersecting lane markings, which gaily cross and criss-cross each other. Any attempt at normal discipline has to be abandoned. Unfortunately, there are no up-to-date aerial photos of either junction. -- Ian
From: Adrian on 9 Feb 2010 04:30 Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> If you want to experience there the ultimate thrill in lane confusion >>> and spectacular proliferation of traffic lights, it's worth a visit to >>> the roundabouts at J2 and J4 of the M40. I'm convinced that the >>> 'architects' of these schemes have shares in the companies which >>> manufacturer road paint and traffic lights. >>Eh? Beaconsfield and Handy Cross? What's the problem with them? > If you select the correct lane when coming up to the traffic lights, you > find that you are nearly always in the wrong lane immediately after you > have gone through the them. Then there's the 'interesting' feature of > the intersecting lane markings, which gaily cross and criss-cross each > other. Any attempt at normal discipline has to be abandoned. Can't say I've ever had any particular problem with either - and I use both regularly. > Unfortunately, there are no up-to-date aerial photos of either junction. Beaconsfield, post services, doesn't seem to be anywhere yet, but local.live.com's Bird's Eye view has the updated Handy Cross junction layout - and the markings all appear consistent and logical to me from the shots, as they always have "on the ground".
From: Ian Jackson on 9 Feb 2010 05:28
In message <7tco9uFm6iU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes >Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily, >sounding much like they were saying: > >>>> If you want to experience there the ultimate thrill in lane confusion >>>> and spectacular proliferation of traffic lights, it's worth a visit to >>>> the roundabouts at J2 and J4 of the M40. I'm convinced that the >>>> 'architects' of these schemes have shares in the companies which >>>> manufacturer road paint and traffic lights. > >>>Eh? Beaconsfield and Handy Cross? What's the problem with them? > >> If you select the correct lane when coming up to the traffic lights, you >> find that you are nearly always in the wrong lane immediately after you >> have gone through the them. Then there's the 'interesting' feature of >> the intersecting lane markings, which gaily cross and criss-cross each >> other. Any attempt at normal discipline has to be abandoned. > >Can't say I've ever had any particular problem with either - and I use >both regularly. > >> Unfortunately, there are no up-to-date aerial photos of either junction. > >Beaconsfield, post services, doesn't seem to be anywhere yet, but >local.live.com's Bird's Eye view has the updated Handy Cross junction >layout - and the markings all appear consistent and logical to me from >the shots, as they always have "on the ground". The resolution of the Handy Cross roundabout isn't really good enough to show the intersecting lane markings. In fact, you can hardly see them. It's far, far worse than it seems!! <http://www.bing.com/maps/#JndoZXJlMT1ocDkmYmI9NTYuMjAzNzAzMTI2NzM1JTdlOS 45MDk2Njc5Njg3NSU3ZTQ2LjI4MjQ5NTQ4NTM5NzYlN2UtOS45MDk2Njc5Njg3NQ==> -- Ian |