From: Adrian on
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

>>Beaconsfield, post services, doesn't seem to be anywhere yet, but
>>local.live.com's Bird's Eye view has the updated Handy Cross junction
>>layout - and the markings all appear consistent and logical to me from
>>the shots, as they always have "on the ground".

> The resolution of the Handy Cross roundabout isn't really good enough to
> show the intersecting lane markings. In fact, you can hardly see them.
> It's far, far worse than it seems!!

Umm, they're fine from here... Bird's Eye view, yes? Zoomed fully in? I'm
even reading the direction markings painted onto the lanes.
From: Ian Jackson on
In message <YKzTJTIejTcLFwkM(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk>, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> writes
>In message <7tco9uFm6iU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian
><toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes
>>Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily,
>>sounding much like they were saying:
>>
>>>>> If you want to experience there the ultimate thrill in lane confusion
>>>>> and spectacular proliferation of traffic lights, it's worth a visit to
>>>>> the roundabouts at J2 and J4 of the M40. I'm convinced that the
>>>>> 'architects' of these schemes have shares in the companies which
>>>>> manufacturer road paint and traffic lights.
>>
>>>>Eh? Beaconsfield and Handy Cross? What's the problem with them?
>>
>>> If you select the correct lane when coming up to the traffic lights, you
>>> find that you are nearly always in the wrong lane immediately after you
>>> have gone through the them. Then there's the 'interesting' feature of
>>> the intersecting lane markings, which gaily cross and criss-cross each
>>> other. Any attempt at normal discipline has to be abandoned.
>>
>>Can't say I've ever had any particular problem with either - and I use
>>both regularly.
>>
>>> Unfortunately, there are no up-to-date aerial photos of either junction.
>>
>>Beaconsfield, post services, doesn't seem to be anywhere yet, but
>>local.live.com's Bird's Eye view has the updated Handy Cross junction
>>layout - and the markings all appear consistent and logical to me from
>>the shots, as they always have "on the ground".
>
>The resolution of the Handy Cross roundabout isn't really good enough
>to show the intersecting lane markings. In fact, you can hardly see
>them. It's far, far worse than it seems!!
><http://www.bing.com/maps/#JndoZXJlMT1ocDkmYmI9NTYuMjAzNzAzMTI2NzM1JTdlOS
>45MDk2Njc5Njg3NSU3ZTQ2LjI4MjQ5NTQ4NTM5NzYlN2UtOS45MDk2Njc5Njg3NQ==>
>
This is a bit closer:
<http://www.bing.com/maps/#JndoZXJlMT1ocDExJmJiPTUxLjY2OTM2MzY0MTc5NjMlN2
UtMC43MDQ0OTg5NjE1Njc4NzklN2U1MS41OTIxMTEzNjYzMDQzJTdlLTAuODU5MzM3NTIzNTc
5NTk3>

--
Ian
From: Ian Jackson on
In message <7tcrvbF8ptU3(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian
<toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes
>Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily,
>sounding much like they were saying:
>
>>>Beaconsfield, post services, doesn't seem to be anywhere yet, but
>>>local.live.com's Bird's Eye view has the updated Handy Cross junction
>>>layout - and the markings all appear consistent and logical to me from
>>>the shots, as they always have "on the ground".
>
>> The resolution of the Handy Cross roundabout isn't really good enough to
>> show the intersecting lane markings. In fact, you can hardly see them.
>> It's far, far worse than it seems!!
>
>Umm, they're fine from here... Bird's Eye view, yes? Zoomed fully in? I'm
>even reading the direction markings painted onto the lanes.

Ah, yes. The Bird's Eye view shows the lane markings much better. But
it's not really the same as when you are on the ground. Unless you and
the other users of the roundabout are familiar with what to do, you are
at serious risk of being side-swiped by someone in an adjacent lane.
--
Ian
From: Adrian on
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

> In message <7tcrvbF8ptU3(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian
> <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes
>>Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> gurgled happily,
>>sounding much like they were saying:
>>
>>>>Beaconsfield, post services, doesn't seem to be anywhere yet, but
>>>>local.live.com's Bird's Eye view has the updated Handy Cross junction
>>>>layout - and the markings all appear consistent and logical to me from
>>>>the shots, as they always have "on the ground".
>>
>>> The resolution of the Handy Cross roundabout isn't really good enough
>>> to show the intersecting lane markings. In fact, you can hardly see
>>> them. It's far, far worse than it seems!!
>>
>>Umm, they're fine from here... Bird's Eye view, yes? Zoomed fully in?
>>I'm even reading the direction markings painted onto the lanes.

> Ah, yes. The Bird's Eye view shows the lane markings much better.

Which is why I said
>>>>local.live.com's Bird's Eye view
several posts ago...

> But it's not really the same as when you are on the ground.

Yes, it is.

> Unless you and the other users of the roundabout are familiar with what
> to do, you are at serious risk of being side-swiped by someone in an
> adjacent lane.

Umm, yes, if people don't bother looking at the lines or markings, and
just make vague assumptions, then there might be a problem. Just as on
any multi-lane roundabout.

"Blind self-absorbed fuckwits cause problems" Hold the front page...

The A414/A1081 roundabout at the top of the d/c from M25 Jn22 (London
Colney) has long been a bad 'un for that - far, far worse than either of
the two you mentioned - especially at the ESE entrance, where 414 traffic
heading west meets 1081 traffic heading onto the r'a'b. They seem to have
sorted it quite effectively, simply by painting the continuation of the
414 lanes red. Far fewer people ignoring the (always perfectly clear)
markings and signage now. Again, too new for any of the views.
From: Man at B&Q on
On Feb 6, 7:16 pm, Harry Bloomfield <harry.m1...(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
> bikeulike formulated on Saturday :
>
>
>
> > Your on the motorway, lane 1. You are going exit at the next junction. The
> > exit slip road is two lanes as you leave it leads to a roundabout and you
> > intend to take the third exit at the roundabout (Turn right effectively).
> > Clearly you need to be in lane 2 of the slip road on the approach to the
> > roundabout.
> > Is the correct procedure.
>
> > 1. Keep on the motorway and exit directly into lane 2 of the slip road. ie
> > Keeping the exit road markings to you left and turning directly into lane 2
> > of the slip road.
>
> > 2. Exit directly into lane 1 of the slip road and then move over to lane two
> > of the slip road.
>
> > Problems.
>
> > If you follow 1 above, You risk the car behind you trying to end up in the
> > same place (Slip road lane 2)
>
> > If  you follow 2 above, You risk a car overtaking you and trying to end up in
> > the same place.
>
> > I submit this question to the "Font of all knowledge" for the definitive
> > answer!
>
> If it is a long slip road and fairly empty, use lane 1 of the slip then
> indicate and move over to L2. If there is queueing traffic in L1, but
> not L2 obviously go directly into L2. The thing is not to impede faster
> vehicles/ drivers who might wish to get past you unnecessarily.
>
> There should be no conflict at all with regards to two vehicles trying
> to occupy the same space, if you adjust your speed and position
> properly.

It's the dickheads in lane 2 who see you indicating in lane 1, assume
you will exit into lane 1 of the slip road and then try to exit from
lane 2 of the Mway to lane 2 of the slip, that cause the problem of
others trying to occupy the same space.

MBQ