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From: Doki on 24 Jul 2007 03:02 What's a realistic power output for an ABF (16V MK3 Golf engine) running on megasquirt with standard everything? And what would be realistic with a bit of porting? A lot of people wander around claiming "The ABF was designed with rally use in mind so it'll hit 170 horses dead easy, the reason it makes 150 in the Golf is because they needed a gap between the GTI and the VR6". Which smells a bit bullshitty to me.
From: Homer on 24 Jul 2007 04:05 "Doki" <mrdoki(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:46a5a407$0$24747$da0feed9(a)news.zen.co.uk... > What's a realistic power output for an ABF (16V MK3 Golf engine) running > on megasquirt with standard everything? And what would be realistic with a > bit of porting? A lot of people wander around claiming "The ABF was > designed with rally use in mind so it'll hit 170 horses dead easy, the > reason it makes 150 in the Golf is because they needed a gap between the > GTI and the VR6". Which smells a bit bullshitty to me. One with a remapped OEM ECU is meant to give 170-180bhp, the standard inlet system isn't particularily restrictive so you'd probably get the same with the megasquirt. A bit of porting and a decent pair of cams should get you to 200bhp, much more gets expensive due to the poor design of the cylinder head compared to the Vauxhall and Peugeot 16V cylinder heads of the time.
From: Sandy Nuts on 24 Jul 2007 08:00 "Doki" <mrdoki(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:46a5a407$0$24747$da0feed9(a)news.zen.co.uk... > What's a realistic power output for an ABF (16V MK3 Golf engine) running > on megasquirt with standard everything? And what would be realistic with a > bit of porting? A lot of people wander around claiming "The ABF was > designed with rally use in mind so it'll hit 170 horses dead easy, the > reason it makes 150 in the Golf is because they needed a gap between the > GTI and the VR6". Which smells a bit bullshitty to me. Not really. The Corsa GSi C16XE engine was producing 150bhp when designed by Lotus. GM needed to wind the power back because it would compete with the Astra GSi. There are loads of well designed heads that yield a fair whack of potential power. C16XE, Vauxhall "redtop", Ford CVH, Peugeot Mi16, Pug/Cit 1.6 VTS spring to mind
From: Tim.. on 24 Jul 2007 08:12 "Sandy Nuts" <not(a)forme.com> wrote in message news:KRlpi.3183$By5.548(a)text.news.blueyonder.co.uk... > "Doki" <mrdoki(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:46a5a407$0$24747$da0feed9(a)news.zen.co.uk... >> What's a realistic power output for an ABF (16V MK3 Golf engine) running >> on megasquirt with standard everything? And what would be realistic with >> a bit of porting? A lot of people wander around claiming "The ABF was >> designed with rally use in mind so it'll hit 170 horses dead easy, the >> reason it makes 150 in the Golf is because they needed a gap between the >> GTI and the VR6". Which smells a bit bullshitty to me. > > Not really. The Corsa GSi C16XE engine was producing 150bhp when designed > by Lotus. GM needed to wind the power back because it would compete with > the Astra GSi. Same as the 1.4- Vx invented that nightmare 3 piece-mile-long inlet manifold that strangles both motors whilst still allowing reasonable torque... Tim..
From: SteveH on 24 Jul 2007 08:36
Burgerman <burgerman(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > "Doki" <mrdoki(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:46a5a407$0$24747$da0feed9(a)news.zen.co.uk... > > What's a realistic power output for an ABF (16V MK3 Golf engine) running > > on megasquirt with standard everything? And what would be realistic with a > > bit of porting? A lot of people wander around claiming "The ABF was > > designed with rally use in mind so it'll hit 170 horses dead easy, the > > reason it makes 150 in the Golf is because they needed a gap between the > > GTI and the VR6". Which smells a bit bullshitty to me. > > > > A real corrected 120 at the wheels. Guestimate. And that's exactly why I refuse to believe most dyno figures. Real 'corrected' figure, ffs. You've just guesstimated a guesstimate. -- SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # |