From: Bob Jones on

"L Alpert" <alpertl(a)xxgmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Bob Jones" <email(a)me.not> wrote in message
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>>> I have had Honda vehicles for 30+ years, and never used any Honda
>>> branded fluids, and never had an issue, though my personal experiences
>>> are a small sample size as well, even if they differ from yours.
>>>
>>
>> What year is your Honda? Maybe older models are not subject to this kind
>> of requirements.
>>
>> On my 2005 service manual, it clearly say that non-Honda antifreeze could
>> lead to corrossion. I am not sure if Prestone will do that but why take
>> the chance. Antifreeze is much cheaper than a water pump or a radiator.
>>
>
> '79 Accord, '82 Accord, '01 Accord, '02 Civic, '04 Accord (the '01 and '04
> Accords are current). Non silicate DAT type antifreeze is all that is
> required for newer Honda vehicles, a type that every major manufacturer
> makes.
>

When did you replace antifreeze on 04 Accord? The original should last for
120k/10 years.


From: SoCalMike on
Retired VIP wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:34:01 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <%n4Ik.4646$Ws1.901(a)nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> "L Alpert" <alpertl(a)xxsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have never had an issue with the Hondas I have owned over the past 30
>>> years or so using off the shelf items such as ATF, antifreeze, brake fluid,
>>> oil, etc.
>>>
>>> I seriously doubt that there is anything "special" about them other than the
>>> label.
>> Go ahead, then, use non-Honda ATF and tell us what you think.
>>
>> Same with coolant.
>>
>> Shoot, same with power steering fluid nowadays.
>>
>> They're all part of a complex system that's highly engineered. Long
>> gone are the days of everybody using the same stuff that's off the shelf
>> at Goober's gas station.
>
> What is so 'highly engineered' about a power steering system? Exactly
> what is there about Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford or Chrysler power steering
> fluid that makes it special? ATF fluid needs to supply the proper
> friction modifiers so there is a difference between Ford and GM ATF
> but if the after-market ATF has the proper modifiers, it will perform
> the same as the OEM stuff.
>
> I've been using Preston Anti-freeze (the green stuff) in my cars for
> the last 45 years and I have never had a engine or cooling system
> problem that could have been caused by the coolant. Why pay $15.00 a
> gallon for anti-freeze that carries a GM or Ford brand when I can get
> something just as good for half the price?

green stuff isnt good with aluminum.
>
> Jack
From: SoCalMike on
jim beam wrote:
> * use of non-honda power steering fluid in a honda system wrecks seals.
> i know that from personal experience.
>
> * use of non-honda transmission fluid, even one that allegedly exceeds
> the nominal dexron II spec, makes a honda transmission shift like you've
> been rear-ended. i know that from personal experience.
>
> i don't know any different facts on honda coolant or brake fluids, but
> based on the above, i can easily believe them to be of a high spec that
> exceeds relabeled generics.

ive never had a prob with using the red dexcool (silicate free, aluminum
safe) on any of my japanese vehicles. and unless the brake system uses
silicone fluid, regular DOT 3/4 works great, changed every 2-3yrs as
required.

i do agree totally with you on the tranny fluid, though. thats a common
issue, and not just on hondas. Mopar has their own spec, as well.
From: SoCalMike on
L Alpert wrote:
> Why would Honda require a coolant different than Audi, Nissan, Toyota,
> Subaru, Jaguar, Porsche or (place your brand of vehicle here)? Would
> all of these auto manufacturers as well as all of the others specify
> something different?
>
>
IIRC, VAG (volkwagen/audi) spec a different type of coolant.
From: SoCalMike on
Bob Jones wrote:

> When did you replace antifreeze on 04 Accord? The original should last for
> 120k/10 years.

FWIW, toyotas ATF is "lifetime" and the coolant is good for 120k.