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From: Doug on 28 May 2010 01:56
On 27 May, 18:50, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > On 26 May, 10:11, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote:
> >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:7ef65742-e582-455b-8853-ac8ac29bf7ef(a)d12g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> This one beggars belief!
> >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8698280.stm
> >> Doug, what exactly 'beggared your belief'? The man injured 2 people and was
> >> sent to prison for a year and a half accordingly. He has also been banned
> >> from driving for 2 years. Would you prefer that he was shot?
>
> > No I would expect a much more serious penalty for someone who...
>
> > "He admitted handling a stolen car, dangerous driving while
> > disqualified and without insurance, two charges of assault on police
> > and criminal damage."
>
> > Still, its par for the course where so-called punishment of dangerous
> > drivers is concerned .
>
>
> What sentence do you think that he should have got?
>
Well given that 'conspiracy to blackmail' by an animal rights
campaigner, involving no theft or violence, invites an 11 year
sentence, someone who deliberately puts lives at risk with a car
weapon surely should be given at least something similar?

But of course, the harsh reality is that crimes committed on our roads
with an unlicenced car weapon are treated much more lightly than
similar crimes committed with other types of unlicenced weapons
elsewhere. Another astonishing fact from this case is the assault on
cops and committing criminal damage, which each would normally add
considerably to the sentence had it not happened on a road.

Seems if you are out to commit a crime these days best do it on a road
and with a car if you want to get off lightly if caught. Even better,
do it with false number plates, no witnesses, and do a runner. The
likelihood of getting caught then would be remote to say the least.

> > --
> > UK Radical Campaigns.
> >http://www.zing.icom43.net
> > A driving licence is a licence to kill.

From: Adrian on 28 May 2010 02:11
Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

> Well given that 'conspiracy to blackmail' by an animal rights
> campaigner, involving no theft or violence

....but considerably premeditation, over a period of many years, and with
plenty of very credible threats of violence...

> invites an 11 year sentence, someone who deliberately

"Judge Michael Kay QC said: "I accept you did not aim the car
deliberately.""

> puts lives at risk with a car weapon surely should be given at least
> something similar?

I'm sure they would. Do you have any links to a case of that kind?
From: Tony Dragon on 28 May 2010 04:19
Doug wrote:
> On 27 May, 18:50, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 26 May, 10:11, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote:
>>>> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:7ef65742-e582-455b-8853-ac8ac29bf7ef(a)d12g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> This one beggars belief!
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8698280.stm
>>>> Doug, what exactly 'beggared your belief'? The man injured 2 people and was
>>>> sent to prison for a year and a half accordingly. He has also been banned
>>>> from driving for 2 years. Would you prefer that he was shot?
>>> No I would expect a much more serious penalty for someone who...
>>> "He admitted handling a stolen car, dangerous driving while
>>> disqualified and without insurance, two charges of assault on police
>>> and criminal damage."
>>> Still, its par for the course where so-called punishment of dangerous
>>> drivers is concerned .
>>
>> What sentence do you think that he should have got?
>>
> Well given that 'conspiracy to blackmail' by an animal rights
> campaigner, involving no theft or violence,

Premeditated over a long period of time, with threats.

> invites an 11 year
> sentence, someone who deliberately puts lives at risk with a car
> weapon

Can you point me to the web site that advertises a car weapon, I would
love to see the specs.

> surely should be given at least something similar?
>
> But of course, the harsh reality is that crimes committed on our roads
> with an unlicenced car weapon

You mean that car weapons need no licensing?

> are treated much more lightly than
> similar crimes committed with other types of unlicenced weapons
> elsewhere. Another astonishing fact from this case is the assault on
> cops and committing criminal damage, which each would normally add
> considerably to the sentence had it not happened on a road.
>
> Seems if you are out to commit a crime these days best do it on a road
> and with a car if you want to get off lightly if caught. Even better,
> do it with false number plates, no witnesses, and do a runner. The
> likelihood of getting caught then would be remote to say the least.
>
>>> --
>>> UK Radical Campaigns.
>>> http://www.zing.icom43.net
>>> A driving licence is a licence to kill.
>


--
Tony Dragon
From: Adrian on 28 May 2010 04:22
Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

>> someone who deliberately puts lives at risk with a car weapon

> Can you point me to the web site that advertises a car weapon, I would
> love to see the specs.

http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/Tanks_Trucks_Jeeps_for_sale.htm
From: JNugent on 28 May 2010 04:38
Doug wrote:
> On 27 May, 18:50, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 26 May, 10:11, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote:
>>>> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:7ef65742-e582-455b-8853-ac8ac29bf7ef(a)d12g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> This one beggars belief!
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8698280.stm
>>>> Doug, what exactly 'beggared your belief'? The man injured 2 people and was
>>>> sent to prison for a year and a half accordingly. He has also been banned
>>>> from driving for 2 years. Would you prefer that he was shot?
>>> No I would expect a much more serious penalty for someone who...
>>> "He admitted handling a stolen car, dangerous driving while
>>> disqualified and without insurance, two charges of assault on police
>>> and criminal damage."
>>> Still, its par for the course where so-called punishment of dangerous
>>> drivers is concerned .
>>
>> What sentence do you think that he should have got?
>>
> Well given that 'conspiracy to blackmail' by an animal rights
> campaigner, involving no theft or violence, invites an 11 year
> sentence, someone who deliberately puts lives at risk with a car
> weapon surely should be given at least something similar?

One might easily agree with that - attempted murder - or murder itself - are
serious crimes, no matter whether the weapon is a knife, a gun, a block of
ice, a length of cord, a bomb or a motor vehicle.

But there is no mention of murder or attempted murder in the reports.

Has it been left out for any reason other than its not being relevant to the
case?
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