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From: thirty-six on 29 May 2010 02:11 On 28 May, 14:42, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > "thirty-six" <thirty-...(a)live.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:92c10c0d-dd33-4a6b-9de6-71f89f351d5b(a)c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 26 May, 10:58, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >> "thirty-six" <thirty-...(a)live.co.uk> wrote in message > > >>news:71eaf388-2cc5-40b4-93cb-86893c6761ba(a)a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... > >> On 26 May, 10:00, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > >> > thirty-six failed to indent: > >> > "The design of a bicycle is well known and respected, there is no need > >> > for type approval, it is a relatively simple device of which problems > >> > with brakes, suspension and steering rarely occur and are immediately > >> > obvious to the rider. A single track machine does not require > >> > complexity in steering, suspension and braking." > > >> > GT: > >> > Interesting, but lets turn that round talk about cars for a moment: > > >> > The design of a car is well known and respected, yet cyclist still call > >> > for type approval! It is a relatively simple device of which problems > >> > with brakes, suspension and steering rarely occur and are immediately > >> > obvious to the driver. A car does not require complex in steering, > >> > suspension or braking. > > >> thirty-six still didn't indent: > >> "The brakes are complex" > > >> No they are not - they work the same way as a bike - pads press onto > >> round > >> parts and the friction causes the vehicle to stop. Power assistance for > >> brakes is also not complex. > > >> thirty-six still didn't indent: > >> "they require engine assistance on the whole and require balanced > >> distribution using multiple systems" > > >> Yes, but this is not complex. > > >> thirty-six still didn't indent: > >> "The pads or shoes are hidden from view so cannot be casually inspected." > > >> They are not hidden from view - they are on the wheels. Just bend down > >> and > >> have a look. > > >> thirty-six still didn't indent: > >> "Suspension is also relatively complex" > > >> No it isn't - it is a large spring, or in some cases is it leaf-springs - > >> the same technology used in Silver Cross prams! > > >> thirty-six still didn't indent: > >> "Steering is also relatively complex" > > >> No it isn't - you turn the steering wheel and the big pole it is attached > >> to > >> turns a steering rack (like a toblerone) which moves left or right and > >> turns > >> the front wheels. its only a 'set of cogs' more complex than a bike. > > >> thirty-six still didn't indent: > >> "There are plenty of design problems with four wheel vehicles, especially > >> heavy ones." > > >> All of which have been overcome by design experts. > > >> I think you have very limited mechanical knowledge and so find these > >> things > >> complex. To a mechanic or even layman with basic mechanical knowledge, > >> there > >> is nothing complex about a car. > > > Please inspect my earlier posting for the word RELATIVELY in respect > > of the difference in complexity between bicycles and motor cars. > > Post was 'inspected' before I replied to it! Mechanical ignorance is not a > bad thing - we all have different areas of knowledge, but inserting the word > 'relatively' doesn't really give you freedom to post biased comments on > things you know little about! If you knew the difference between the way > bikes and cars work on the above points, you would have used different > phrasing, like 'slightly more complex', or 'a couple of cogs more than...' > and so forth. Oh bullshit, you're blowing bubbles. I've read Bentley's works on chassis design, referenced Hilliers and studied to BTEC level 4 in part on vehicle engineering. There are multiple linkages in motor vehicles which are not present in bicycles. I understand both as well as the consequences of wear and binding through misalignment which again don't exist on a bicycle. There is nothing biased about my comments, I am equally at home with motor vehicles and bicycles. This is a cycling newsgroup and I will not pander to your wailing.
From: GT on 29 May 2010 04:07
"thirty-six" <thirty-six(a)live.co.uk> wrote in message news:8ebb36d9-7c41-4adb-bffb-64a59f28a8f2(a)y12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com... > On 28 May, 14:42, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> "thirty-six" <thirty-...(a)live.co.uk> wrote in message >> >> news:92c10c0d-dd33-4a6b-9de6-71f89f351d5b(a)c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On 26 May, 10:58, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> >> "thirty-six" <thirty-...(a)live.co.uk> wrote in message >> >> >>news:71eaf388-2cc5-40b4-93cb-86893c6761ba(a)a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... >> >> On 26 May, 10:00, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> >> >> > thirty-six failed to indent: >> >> > "The design of a bicycle is well known and respected, there is no >> >> > need >> >> > for type approval, it is a relatively simple device of which >> >> > problems >> >> > with brakes, suspension and steering rarely occur and are >> >> > immediately >> >> > obvious to the rider. A single track machine does not require >> >> > complexity in steering, suspension and braking." >> >> >> > GT: >> >> > Interesting, but lets turn that round talk about cars for a moment: >> >> >> > The design of a car is well known and respected, yet cyclist still >> >> > call >> >> > for type approval! It is a relatively simple device of which >> >> > problems >> >> > with brakes, suspension and steering rarely occur and are >> >> > immediately >> >> > obvious to the driver. A car does not require complex in steering, >> >> > suspension or braking. >> >> >> thirty-six still didn't indent: >> >> "The brakes are complex" >> >> >> No they are not - they work the same way as a bike - pads press onto >> >> round >> >> parts and the friction causes the vehicle to stop. Power assistance >> >> for >> >> brakes is also not complex. >> >> >> thirty-six still didn't indent: >> >> "they require engine assistance on the whole and require balanced >> >> distribution using multiple systems" >> >> >> Yes, but this is not complex. >> >> >> thirty-six still didn't indent: >> >> "The pads or shoes are hidden from view so cannot be casually >> >> inspected." >> >> >> They are not hidden from view - they are on the wheels. Just bend down >> >> and >> >> have a look. >> >> >> thirty-six still didn't indent: >> >> "Suspension is also relatively complex" >> >> >> No it isn't - it is a large spring, or in some cases is it >> >> leaf-springs - >> >> the same technology used in Silver Cross prams! >> >> >> thirty-six still didn't indent: >> >> "Steering is also relatively complex" >> >> >> No it isn't - you turn the steering wheel and the big pole it is >> >> attached >> >> to >> >> turns a steering rack (like a toblerone) which moves left or right and >> >> turns >> >> the front wheels. its only a 'set of cogs' more complex than a bike. >> >> >> thirty-six still didn't indent: >> >> "There are plenty of design problems with four wheel vehicles, >> >> especially >> >> heavy ones." >> >> >> All of which have been overcome by design experts. >> >> >> I think you have very limited mechanical knowledge and so find these >> >> things >> >> complex. To a mechanic or even layman with basic mechanical knowledge, >> >> there >> >> is nothing complex about a car. >> >> > Please inspect my earlier posting for the word RELATIVELY in respect >> > of the difference in complexity between bicycles and motor cars. >> >> Post was 'inspected' before I replied to it! Mechanical ignorance is not >> a >> bad thing - we all have different areas of knowledge, but inserting the >> word >> 'relatively' doesn't really give you freedom to post biased comments on >> things you know little about! If you knew the difference between the way >> bikes and cars work on the above points, you would have used different >> phrasing, like 'slightly more complex', or 'a couple of cogs more >> than...' >> and so forth. > > Oh bullshit, you're blowing bubbles. I've read Bentley's works on > chassis design, referenced Hilliers and studied to BTEC level 4 in > part on vehicle engineering. There are multiple linkages in motor > vehicles which are not present in bicycles. I understand both as well > as the consequences of wear and binding through misalignment which > again don't exist on a bicycle. There is nothing biased about my > comments, I am equally at home with motor vehicles and bicycles. This > is a cycling newsgroup and I will not pander to your wailing. Thats funny - I'm in uk.rec.driving. This is not a cycling newsgroup. If you have a problem with that, then you should take it up with the cross-posting Doug! Another argument started by Doug - the cause of most raised blood pressures on newsnet! |