Another one killed on a pavement and a wall smashed!
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From: JNugent on 11 Jun 2010 10:21 Phil W Lee wrote: > "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> considered Thu, 10 Jun 2010 > 18:35:29 +0100 the perfect time to write: > >> David Hansen wrote: >>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:35:18 +0100 someone who may be "GT" <a(a)b.c> >>> wrote this:- >>> >>>> some motorists do legally park on pavements. >>> Whether it is legal or not depends on where one is. >>> >>> I know of no law in any part of the UK where the legality depends on >>> there being space for people to get past the obstruction. > > I thought "causing an obstruction" was the law in all parts of the UK? > Of course, actually getting the police to do something about it is > another matter, unless it's they that are being obstructed. > > I think we need to go back to the old system whereby anyone who acts > outside the law ceases to be protected by it. > Then we could simply ride/climb over illegally/obstructively parked > vehicles. >>>> However, in >>>> my few hundred thousand miles of motoring, I have never seen a car >>>> *driving* on a pavement. >>> An interesting example of motoring lobby sleight of hand. It is the >>> motorist who drives along the pavement, not the car, just as it is >>> the cyclist who rides along the pavement, not the bike. >>> >>> If you haven't seen a motorist driving along the pavement then I am >>> glad you live such a sheltered life. >> mounting a pavement to park is not the same as driving along the pavement. > It is unless you pushed the car there, or had it craned in. No, it isn't. Not unless there is a local law agin it. And there isn't such a law in many places. That's not to say that it is OK to simply drive along the footway to get somewhere else (eg, a street several miles away). That would be as wrong as cycling along the footway. >> I see thousands of cars every day parking and parked on pavements, I never >> see cars driving along pavements on a continual basis . >> I see many cyclists every day riding along pavements without a care for >> pedestrians, often at quite high speed. > Yet compare the statistics for the number of pedestrians killed on the > pavement by cars and bicycles respectively. How many of them involve cars being driven *along* footways (to get somewhere else) in the manner of bicycles? [Hint: the answer is either "none" or so close to "none" as makes no practical differnce.]
From: Nick Finnigan on 11 Jun 2010 12:27 Phil W Lee wrote: > > I think we need to go back to the old system whereby anyone who acts > outside the law ceases to be protected by it. I don't think it was ever legal to shoot road users at night who don't have lights on. > Then we could simply ride/climb over illegally/obstructively parked > vehicles. What is stopping you? (Apart from the difficulty with a road bike).
From: JNugent on 11 Jun 2010 16:16 Nick Finnigan wrote: > Phil W Lee wrote: >> I think we need to go back to the old system whereby anyone who acts >> outside the law ceases to be protected by it. But come to think of it, it would be a very useful sanction against footway cyclists. And the beauty of the situation is that Phil W Lee is the one who told/reminded us about it. If anyone complains about the possible (re?)introduction of such a legal settlement, just say PWL said it was alright and would be preferable to the current position.
From: JNugent on 11 Jun 2010 20:29 Phil W Lee wrote: > JNugent <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> considered Fri, 11 Jun 2010 > 15:21:42 +0100 the perfect time to write: > >> Phil W Lee wrote: >>> "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> considered Thu, 10 Jun 2010 >>> 18:35:29 +0100 the perfect time to write: >>> >>>> David Hansen wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:35:18 +0100 someone who may be "GT" <a(a)b.c> >>>>> wrote this:- >>>>> >>>>>> some motorists do legally park on pavements. >>>>> Whether it is legal or not depends on where one is. >>>>> >>>>> I know of no law in any part of the UK where the legality depends on >>>>> there being space for people to get past the obstruction. >>> I thought "causing an obstruction" was the law in all parts of the UK? >>> Of course, actually getting the police to do something about it is >>> another matter, unless it's they that are being obstructed. >>> >>> I think we need to go back to the old system whereby anyone who acts >>> outside the law ceases to be protected by it. >>> Then we could simply ride/climb over illegally/obstructively parked >>> vehicles. >>>>>> However, in >>>>>> my few hundred thousand miles of motoring, I have never seen a car >>>>>> *driving* on a pavement. >>>>> An interesting example of motoring lobby sleight of hand. It is the >>>>> motorist who drives along the pavement, not the car, just as it is >>>>> the cyclist who rides along the pavement, not the bike. >>>>> >>>>> If you haven't seen a motorist driving along the pavement then I am >>>>> glad you live such a sheltered life. >>>> mounting a pavement to park is not the same as driving along the pavement. >>> It is unless you pushed the car there, or had it craned in. >> No, it isn't. > > Then how the hell else did you get it there? > Driving on the footway is illegal, and it's only because some > brainless idiot of a judge at some time in the distant past decided > that the presence of a vehicle on the footway was not evidence that it > had been driven there (apparently the prosecution failed to prove it > hadn't been craned or pushed) that the law is no longer enforced - > except, of course, against bicycles. >> Not unless there is a local law agin it. And there isn't such a law in many >> places. > > I don't know which "many places" you are on about, but the local law > in the UK is that you cannot drive a carriage on the footway, except > to access adjacent property (i.e. not just the footway itself, but > something beyond the boundary of the highway). > Other countries (or indeed planets, such as the aforementioned judge > must have been an inhabitant of) may be different. >> That's not to say that it is OK to simply drive along the footway to get >> somewhere else (eg, a street several miles away). That would be as wrong as >> cycling along the footway. >> >>>> I see thousands of cars every day parking and parked on pavements, I never >>>> see cars driving along pavements on a continual basis . >>>> I see many cyclists every day riding along pavements without a care for >>>> pedestrians, often at quite high speed. >>> Yet compare the statistics for the number of pedestrians killed on the >>> pavement by cars and bicycles respectively. >> How many of them involve cars being driven *along* footways (to get somewhere >> else) in the manner of bicycles? > > Far more than involve bicycles, even if you ignore the ones who claim > to have arrived there through no fault of their own. >> [Hint: the answer is either "none" or so close to "none" as makes no >> practical differnce.] > > Maybe you should look it up? "The local law in the UK"? Where would one look that up?
From: Brimstone on 12 Jun 2010 04:07
"Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:0f1d1303-8cc1-488f-89d7-32f426c718d0(a)j4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > On 11 June, 07:21, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >> saying: >> >> > Considerable latitude is given to the car culture to leave their bulky >> > machines lying about all over the place >> >> It's a lovely soundbite, Duhg, but you're in danger of wearing it out. >> > I know, Adrain, but until something better comes along... There is already something available ..... silence. |