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From: Tony Dragon on 6 Apr 2010 03:10
Doug wrote:
> On 5 Apr, 09:04, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 4 Apr, 12:05, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 4, 8:53 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 4 Apr, 08:46, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>>>> And the motorists here have the barefaced cheek to keep banging on
>>>>>>> about cyclists on pavements!
>>>>>>> "Man dies as car hits Birmingham bus shelter
>>>>>>> A pedestrian was killed when a car crashed into a bus shelter in
>>>>>>> Birmingham.
>>>>>>> Emergency services were called to the scene in Stratford Road, Hall
>>>>>>> Green, on Friday morning.
>>>>>>> West Midlands Ambulance Service said a car appeared to have hit the
>>>>>>> bus shelter and also hit another car. The dead man was found in the
>>>>>>> shelter.
>>>>>>> A spokeswoman said the man was declared dead at the scene. Two women,
>>>>>>> both motorists, were unhurt."
>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8600977.stm
>>>>>> And in what way was this a deliberate action Doug, unlike footway cycling.
>>>>>> Oh I must have missed your report about your Christmas bin collection,
>>>>>> could you repost it.
>>>>> On the exceedingly rare occasions when a cyclist kills on a pavement
>>>>> that is not deliberate either.
>>>>> --
>>>> Point of order. The motorist(s) left the road and mounted the pavement
>>>> after some sort of accident, so they were not deliberating driving on
>>>> the pavement. Many cyclists routinely and deliberately ride on the
>>>> pavement, often at quite high speed and in a manner that is risky to
>>>> vulnerable pedestrians. There is a difference!
>>> Yes the important difference is that, unlike motorists, cyclists
>>> seldom kill people,on pavements.
>>
>> So you are comparing the accidental action of one person, with the
>> deliberate action of another group of people.
>>
>> What a quaint way of looking at the world.
>>
> You are completely wrong yet again. In both cases when they kill it is
> not deliberate. The only difference being that cars are much more
> lethal and numerous and so represent a much bigger threat to
> pedestrians on pavements, which is a point you seem loathe to accept
> in your quest to try to exonerate such killers by diverting attention
> onto relatively harmless cyclists.
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns
> www.zing.icom43.net
> A driving licence is a licence to kill.
>

It's funny how everybody is completely wrong other then you.

Now to put the points made by myself & others in a simple way for you to
understand.

This motorist did not deliberately drive on the pavement.
Many cyclists deliberately cycle on the pavement.
You brought pavement cycling to this thread not anybody else.

And just to try to get it through your thick skull, nobody has tread to
exonerate motorist killing other people, but they may have mentioned how
much to blame they were.

--
Tony Dragon
From: Mrcheerful on 6 Apr 2010 04:49
Doug wrote:
> On 5 Apr, 09:04, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 4 Apr, 12:05, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 4, 8:53 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 4 Apr, 08:46, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>>>> And the motorists here have the barefaced cheek to keep banging
>>>>>>> on about cyclists on pavements!
>>>>>>> "Man dies as car hits Birmingham bus shelter
>>>>>>> A pedestrian was killed when a car crashed into a bus shelter in
>>>>>>> Birmingham.
>>>>>>> Emergency services were called to the scene in Stratford Road,
>>>>>>> Hall Green, on Friday morning.
>>>>>>> West Midlands Ambulance Service said a car appeared to have hit
>>>>>>> the bus shelter and also hit another car. The dead man was
>>>>>>> found in the shelter.
>>>>>>> A spokeswoman said the man was declared dead at the scene. Two
>>>>>>> women, both motorists, were unhurt."
>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8600977.stm
>>>>>> And in what way was this a deliberate action Doug, unlike
>>>>>> footway cycling. Oh I must have missed your report about your
>>>>>> Christmas bin collection, could you repost it.
>>>>> On the exceedingly rare occasions when a cyclist kills on a
>>>>> pavement that is not deliberate either.
>>>>> --
>>>> Point of order. The motorist(s) left the road and mounted the
>>>> pavement after some sort of accident, so they were not
>>>> deliberating driving on the pavement. Many cyclists routinely and
>>>> deliberately ride on the pavement, often at quite high speed and
>>>> in a manner that is risky to vulnerable pedestrians. There is a
>>>> difference!
>>
>>> Yes the important difference is that, unlike motorists, cyclists
>>> seldom kill people,on pavements.
>>
>>
>> So you are comparing the accidental action of one person, with the
>> deliberate action of another group of people.
>>
>> What a quaint way of looking at the world.
>>
> You are completely wrong yet again. In both cases when they kill it is
> not deliberate. The only difference being that cars are much more
> lethal and numerous and so represent a much bigger threat to
> pedestrians on pavements, which is a point you seem loathe to accept
> in your quest to try to exonerate such killers by diverting attention
> onto relatively harmless cyclists.

Carrying out an illegal act, knowing that it may have very serious
consequences (riding cycle on the pavement) is deliberate

Having an accident or other mishap on the road and being forced on to the
pavement (whether cycle or car) is not deliberate.

the relative size of the vehicle is immaterial, your stance a bit like
saying that shooting small bullets around is ok because they will cause less
damage than big bullets.


From: JNugent on 6 Apr 2010 07:16
Doug wrote:
> On 5 Apr, 09:04, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 4 Apr, 12:05, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 4, 8:53 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 4 Apr, 08:46, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>>>> And the motorists here have the barefaced cheek to keep banging on
>>>>>>> about cyclists on pavements!
>>>>>>> "Man dies as car hits Birmingham bus shelter
>>>>>>> A pedestrian was killed when a car crashed into a bus shelter in
>>>>>>> Birmingham.
>>>>>>> Emergency services were called to the scene in Stratford Road, Hall
>>>>>>> Green, on Friday morning.
>>>>>>> West Midlands Ambulance Service said a car appeared to have hit the
>>>>>>> bus shelter and also hit another car. The dead man was found in the
>>>>>>> shelter.
>>>>>>> A spokeswoman said the man was declared dead at the scene. Two women,
>>>>>>> both motorists, were unhurt."
>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8600977.stm
>>>>>> And in what way was this a deliberate action Doug, unlike footway cycling.
>>>>>> Oh I must have missed your report about your Christmas bin collection,
>>>>>> could you repost it.
>>>>> On the exceedingly rare occasions when a cyclist kills on a pavement
>>>>> that is not deliberate either.
>>>>> --
>>>> Point of order. The motorist(s) left the road and mounted the pavement
>>>> after some sort of accident, so they were not deliberating driving on
>>>> the pavement. Many cyclists routinely and deliberately ride on the
>>>> pavement, often at quite high speed and in a manner that is risky to
>>>> vulnerable pedestrians. There is a difference!
>>> Yes the important difference is that, unlike motorists, cyclists
>>> seldom kill people,on pavements.
>>
>> So you are comparing the accidental action of one person, with the
>> deliberate action of another group of people.
>>
>> What a quaint way of looking at the world.
>>
> You are completely wrong yet again. In both cases when they kill it is
> not deliberate. The only difference being that cars are much more
> lethal and numerous and so represent a much bigger threat to
> pedestrians on pavements, which is a point you seem loathe to accept
> in your quest to try to exonerate such killers by diverting attention
> onto relatively harmless cyclists.

Cars represent hardly any threat at all to pedestrians on footways. I can't
recall ever meeting one travelling towards me on a footway (whether from in
front or behind).

It's just the opposite for bicycles. They are frequently encountered
approaching one at speed on a footway - and they are there as a result of a
quite deliberate, self-centred and cynical decision by the cyclist.
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