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From: Brimstone on 8 Apr 2010 04:27 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:10137e51-70de-497d-839e-414489b5bd90(a)x20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On 8 Apr, 08:31, Chris Bartram <n...(a)delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote: >> On 08/04/2010 07:24, Doug wrote: >> >> > So I say again, why are these faulty and dangerous cars not taken off >> > our roads until the faults corrected, instead of keep banging on about >> > relatively harmless mobility scooters and bicycles? >> >> And I ask again: has it been proved that the cars have caused any >> accidents or deaths, or is it the drivers? >> >> If the connection is proved and the cars are dangerous, then fair >> enough, take them off the road until it's fixed. >> >> I realise there's no chance of any sense, but I'll ask anyway. >> > Have you ever heard of 'Google searches'? Try it sometime it might > help. > Why is it OK for you to demand sources of information and other references Doug, but when others ask the same of you you tell them to find them for themselves? This isn't double standards on your part is it?
From: Doug on 8 Apr 2010 04:40 On 8 Apr, 09:27, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > news:10137e51-70de-497d-839e-414489b5bd90(a)x20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > On 8 Apr, 08:31, Chris Bartram <n...(a)delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote: > >> On 08/04/2010 07:24, Doug wrote: > > >> > So I say again, why are these faulty and dangerous cars not taken off > >> > our roads until the faults corrected, instead of keep banging on about > >> > relatively harmless mobility scooters and bicycles? > > >> And I ask again: has it been proved that the cars have caused any > >> accidents or deaths, or is it the drivers? > > >> If the connection is proved and the cars are dangerous, then fair > >> enough, take them off the road until it's fixed. > > >> I realise there's no chance of any sense, but I'll ask anyway. > > > Have you ever heard of 'Google searches'? Try it sometime it might > > help. > > Why is it OK for you to demand sources of information and other references > Doug, but when others ask the same of you you tell them to find them for > themselves? > > This isn't double standards on your part is it? > Nope I have already given some sources previously in other threads so here goes yet again. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article7047177.ece Note this only applies to unintended acceleration and not additional brake or computer faults. However a Google search will reveal much more, too numerous to give here, for anyone who is remotely interested, which rules out a lot of motorists of course, who have their own all too obvious agenda. The one question that keeps bothering me is why are these fault crashes being investigated in the USA but not here in the UK? Doesn't our government actually care about saving lives or is the possible effect on our car-centric economy of such an investigation to detrimental to contemplate? -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Adrian on 8 Apr 2010 04:47 Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/ engineering/article7047177.ece > > Note this only applies to unintended acceleration and not additional > brake or computer faults. 43 incidents. Across a decade. Yet, bizarrely, only 11 of those were reported in the 9.5yrs before the publicity started and there was the possibility of not only passing the buck but getting in on a nice lucrative lawsuit. > Note this only applies to unintended acceleration and not additional > brake or computer faults. From that very article... Takeshi Uchiyamada, executive vice-president of Toyota and chief engineer on the Prius, said: “I want to be absolutely clear: As a result of our extensive testing, we do not believe sudden unintended acceleration because of a defect in our ETCS [engine throttle control systems] has ever happened” > However a Google search will reveal much more, too numerous to give > here Indeed. It'll reveal lots of "Woe! Shock! Horror!" melodramatic low- quality press reports, it'll reveal lots of sites designed to get in on the legal payday, it'll reveal lots of hand-wringing from people like you - and very little in the way of actual evidence. Because it just doesn't exist. > for anyone who is remotely interested, which rules out a lot of > motorists of course, who have their own all too obvious agenda. Strange how you, apparently, don't have any kind of "agenda". > The one question that keeps bothering me is why are these fault crashes > being investigated in the USA but not here in the UK? That's simple, Duhg. Because they haven't happened here.
From: Brimstone on 8 Apr 2010 05:04 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:e1e9a967-a1a7-4911-99c1-35c624a24028(a)w42g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > On 8 Apr, 09:27, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> news:10137e51-70de-497d-839e-414489b5bd90(a)x20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On 8 Apr, 08:31, Chris Bartram <n...(a)delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote: >> >> On 08/04/2010 07:24, Doug wrote: >> >> >> > So I say again, why are these faulty and dangerous cars not taken >> >> > off >> >> > our roads until the faults corrected, instead of keep banging on >> >> > about >> >> > relatively harmless mobility scooters and bicycles? >> >> >> And I ask again: has it been proved that the cars have caused any >> >> accidents or deaths, or is it the drivers? >> >> >> If the connection is proved and the cars are dangerous, then fair >> >> enough, take them off the road until it's fixed. >> >> >> I realise there's no chance of any sense, but I'll ask anyway. >> >> > Have you ever heard of 'Google searches'? Try it sometime it might >> > help. >> >> Why is it OK for you to demand sources of information and other >> references >> Doug, but when others ask the same of you you tell them to find them for >> themselves? >> >> This isn't double standards on your part is it? >> > Nope I have already given some sources previously in other threads so > here goes yet again. > > http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article7047177.ece > > Note this only applies to unintended acceleration and not additional > brake or computer faults. > > However a Google search will reveal much more, too numerous to give > here, for anyone who is remotely interested, which rules out a lot of > motorists of course, who have their own all too obvious agenda. > > The one question that keeps bothering me is why are these fault > crashes being investigated in the USA but not here in the UK? Doesn't > our government actually care about saving lives or is the possible > effect on our car-centric economy of such an investigation to > detrimental to contemplate? > Have any such incidents happened in the UK to warrant investigation? I'm aware of a couple of incidents over the last few years in which drivers have claimed that the "throttle got stuck" but none of them were Toyotas.
From: Mrcheerful on 8 Apr 2010 06:39
Brimstone wrote: > "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > news:e1e9a967-a1a7-4911-99c1-35c624a24028(a)w42g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >> On 8 Apr, 09:27, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >>> >>> news:10137e51-70de-497d-839e-414489b5bd90(a)x20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >>> >>>> On 8 Apr, 08:31, Chris Bartram <n...(a)delete-me.piglet-net.net> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On 08/04/2010 07:24, Doug wrote: >>> >>>>>> So I say again, why are these faulty and dangerous cars not taken >>>>>> off >>>>>> our roads until the faults corrected, instead of keep banging on >>>>>> about >>>>>> relatively harmless mobility scooters and bicycles? >>> >>>>> And I ask again: has it been proved that the cars have caused any >>>>> accidents or deaths, or is it the drivers? >>> >>>>> If the connection is proved and the cars are dangerous, then fair >>>>> enough, take them off the road until it's fixed. >>> >>>>> I realise there's no chance of any sense, but I'll ask anyway. >>> >>>> Have you ever heard of 'Google searches'? Try it sometime it might >>>> help. >>> >>> Why is it OK for you to demand sources of information and other >>> references >>> Doug, but when others ask the same of you you tell them to find >>> them for themselves? >>> >>> This isn't double standards on your part is it? >>> >> Nope I have already given some sources previously in other threads so >> here goes yet again. >> >> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article7047177.ece >> >> Note this only applies to unintended acceleration and not additional >> brake or computer faults. >> >> However a Google search will reveal much more, too numerous to give >> here, for anyone who is remotely interested, which rules out a lot of >> motorists of course, who have their own all too obvious agenda. >> >> The one question that keeps bothering me is why are these fault >> crashes being investigated in the USA but not here in the UK? Doesn't >> our government actually care about saving lives or is the possible >> effect on our car-centric economy of such an investigation to >> detrimental to contemplate? >> > Have any such incidents happened in the UK to warrant investigation? > > I'm aware of a couple of incidents over the last few years in which > drivers have claimed that the "throttle got stuck" but none of them > were Toyotas. all my grown up life (40+ years) I can recall reported incidents of cars 'suddenly accellerating on their own' most seemed to involve elderly drivers or people with their first automatic. possible genuine ones: the more recent american ones involving the ford explorer, where a cruise control fault 'could' cause flat out accelleration, now there is a vehicle that 'has' killed loads of people. |