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From: Adrian on 8 Apr 2010 05:44 "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > possible genuine ones: the more recent american ones involving the ford > explorer, where a cruise control fault 'could' cause flat out > accelleration Did the "Cruise Off" switch also fail simultaneously? > now there is a vehicle that 'has' killed loads of people. Strangely, only those who couldn't cope with the fact that it was a different kind of vehicle to what they were used to, and failed to adjust their driving style appropriately.
From: boltar2003 on 8 Apr 2010 05:50 On 8 Apr 2010 09:44:38 GMT Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >"Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like >they were saying: > >> possible genuine ones: the more recent american ones involving the ford >> explorer, where a cruise control fault 'could' cause flat out >> accelleration > >Did the "Cruise Off" switch also fail simultaneously? Along with the brakes, gear selector & ignition.... B2003
From: Doug on 8 Apr 2010 06:01 On 8 Apr, 09:47, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: > > >http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/ > > engineering/article7047177.ece > > > > > Note this only applies to unintended acceleration and not additional > > brake or computer faults. > > 43 incidents. > > Across a decade. > > Yet, bizarrely, only 11 of those were reported in the 9.5yrs before the > publicity started and there was the possibility of not only passing the > buck but getting in on a nice lucrative lawsuit. > I think you will find that Toyota hushed them up for years and... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252454/I-left-coma-90mph-Toyota-crash-TWO-YEARS-safety-recall.html "I was left in a coma by 90mph Toyota crash TWO YEARS before safety recall" > > > Note this only applies to unintended acceleration and not additional > > brake or computer faults. > > From that very article... > Takeshi Uchiyamada, executive vice-president of Toyota and chief engineer > on the Prius, said: I want to be absolutely clear: As a result of our > extensive testing, we do not believe sudden unintended acceleration > because of a defect in our ETCS [engine throttle control systems] has > ever happened > Well he would say that anyway and The US Transportation Department thinks differently > > > However a Google search will reveal much more, too numerous to give > > here > > Indeed. It'll reveal lots of "Woe! Shock! Horror!" melodramatic low- > quality press reports, it'll reveal lots of sites designed to get in on > the legal payday, it'll reveal lots of hand-wringing from people like you > - and very little in the way of actual evidence. Because it just doesn't > exist. > Wrong again. Loads of fault related crashes have been reported and have been and are being investigated in the USA. > > > for anyone who is remotely interested, which rules out a lot of > > motorists of course, who have their own all too obvious agenda. > > Strange how you, apparently, don't have any kind of "agenda". > My agenda here is public safety. > > > The one question that keeps bothering me is why are these fault crashes > > being investigated in the USA but not here in the UK? > > That's simple, Duhg. > > Because they haven't happened here. > Wrong again. There have been crashes due to Toyota faults reported here but such crashes have not been fully investigated. Examples http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7175795/Sticky-accelerator-caused-Toyota-crash.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/feb/09/toyota-crash-accelerator Anyway, bottom line, Toyotas are much more dangerous than mobility scooters so why are the latter being targeted by The House of Commons Transport Committee instead of the Toyotas? Have any of our MPs ever even mentioned the Toyota problem? -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Adrian on 8 Apr 2010 06:06 Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> > Note this only applies to unintended acceleration and not additional >> > brake or computer faults. >> 43 incidents. >> >> Across a decade. >> >> Yet, bizarrely, only 11 of those were reported in the 9.5yrs before the >> publicity started and there was the possibility of not only passing the >> buck but getting in on a nice lucrative lawsuit. > I think you will find that Toyota hushed them up for years and... > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252454/I-left-coma-90mph- Toyota-crash-TWO-YEARS-safety-recall.html > > "I was left in a coma by 90mph Toyota crash TWO YEARS before safety > recall" You do like the Daily Mailodrama as a source, don't you? Oh, look - a car with an old-style cable throttle. No electronics in the throttle mechanism at all. Also another driver who seemed to be unable to comprehend "switching the ignition off" or "putting it in neutral". >> > for anyone who is remotely interested, which rules out a lot of >> > motorists of course, who have their own all too obvious agenda. >> Strange how you, apparently, don't have any kind of "agenda". > My agenda here is public safety. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
From: Doug on 8 Apr 2010 06:11
On 8 Apr, 11:06, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: > > >> > Note this only applies to unintended acceleration and not additional > >> > brake or computer faults. > >> 43 incidents. > > >> Across a decade. > > >> Yet, bizarrely, only 11 of those were reported in the 9.5yrs before the > >> publicity started and there was the possibility of not only passing the > >> buck but getting in on a nice lucrative lawsuit. > > I think you will find that Toyota hushed them up for years and... > > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252454/I-left-coma-90mph- > > Toyota-crash-TWO-YEARS-safety-recall.html > > > > > "I was left in a coma by 90mph Toyota crash TWO YEARS before safety > > recall" > > You do like the Daily Mailodrama as a source, don't you? > > Oh, look - a car with an old-style cable throttle. No electronics in the > throttle mechanism at all. Also another driver who seemed to be unable to > comprehend "switching the ignition off" or "putting it in neutral". > If you knew anything at all about the subject you would know that doesn't always work. > > >> > for anyone who is remotely interested, which rules out a lot of > >> > motorists of course, who have their own all too obvious agenda. > >> Strange how you, apparently, don't have any kind of "agenda". > > My agenda here is public safety. > > Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! > Is that the best you can do, just laugh at the deaths? -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. |