From: Sophie on
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:48:08 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com>
wrote:

>Sophie wrote:
>
>> Let me chime in here. Amsoil's non API certified oil has been tested,
>> at least the ASL 5W-30 and the results show that there was no effect
>> on the catalytic converter.
>
>Tested by whom? The effects on the catalytic converter are long-term,
>and occur slowly over time, and depend on how much oil the engine
>consumes as it wears.
>
>The limits on ZDDP are because automakers must warranty the catalytic
>converter for 80,000 miles. An engine that consume oil well within the
>specs of the automaker would shorten the life of the catalytic converter
>to less than the warranty period, were an oil with a high level of ZDDP
>used. Similarly, a vehicle may make it past the warranty period, but
>still have a shortened catalytic converter lifespan due to the high
>level of ZDDP. No sense risking it, since even an after-market catalytic
>converter would cost well over $300 installed. There are plenty of oils,
>both synthetic and petroleum based that provide excellent lubrication
>without high levels of ZDDP.

If your engine is burnig oil, shouldn't you fix it? None of the cars
in our famaly use any oil and one of them is a 93

Do you have any documenation to back up the levels of ZDDP in Amsoil
has caused premature catalytic converters?
From: Sophie on
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:49:30 -0400, aarcuda69062
<nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>In article <cao7135clt52vd03rkcmu38i04s5g237n8(a)4ax.com>,
> Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:09:52 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >What is critically important is to _NEVER_ use a non-API certified oil
>> >such as Amsoil's products (other than the XL-7500 line) in a vehicle
>> >with a catalytic converter. In specialty vehicles without catalytic
>> >converters, the high levels of ZDDP in non-API certified oils are a
>> >benefit. The use of non-API certified oils will void the emissions
>> >control part of your warranty, though in reality you would have to
>> >combine a non-certified oil, a vehicle that burns sufficient oil to
>> >destroy the catalytic converter before the warranty expires. Even so,
>> >since many people keep vehicles well past the emissions warranty
>> >expiration, you would still not want to risk damaging your vehicle.
>>
>> Let me chime in here. Amsoil's non API certified oil has been tested,
>> at least the ASL 5W-30 and the results show that there was no effect
>> on the catalytic converter.
>>
>> While in theory ZDDP can cause the converter to plug up, the main
>> reason for them to plug up is something seriouly wrong with the
>> engine.
>
>Apparently you don't know or understand the difference between a
>plugged catalytic converter and one that has been poisoned and is
>no longer efficient enough to perform properly.

Just going buy what I read online like Wikipedia

>
>Not surprising.

Whats that wise crack about?
From: Sophie on
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:09:56 -0400, aarcuda69062
<nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>In article <jgo71358d16g4pa4alif5gdb88e0lekkpo(a)4ax.com>,
> Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:49:10 GMT, aarcuda69062
>> <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <tk67131deso2obeg3o2rtn9jtkvv97kio3(a)4ax.com>,
>> > Andy <wisynoil(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >ol' Andy has been pitching his scamsoil in these groups for a
>> >> >while now.
>> >>
>> >> Just stating the facts, it amzing how many uneducated people there are
>> >> spouting iies. The data is clear on this, the tests show it. Why you
>> >> have such a hard time dealing with the truth is beyond me.
>> >
>> >You've either been under a rock for the last 12 years or you're
>> >just hopelessly obtuse.
>> >ZDDP poisons catalytic converters, the amounts of ZDDP in motor
>> >oil have to be reduced in order for manufacturers to meet EPA
>> >warranty requirements on catalytic converters.
>> >ZDDP makes mediocre motor oils perform as well as better quality
>> >motor oils, so your statement that Scamsoil uses more of it
>> >merely shows what a poor product it really is.
>>
>> Do you often stoop to name calling when you can't get your way?
>
>Umm, what name calling and what way would that be?
>
>> I searched on ZDDP and catalytic convertors, none of which said ZDDP
>> from engine oil caused a problem unless the engine had a major
>> malfuntion.
>
>Funny, I got 1260 hits on Google.
>Was your computer not connected to the internet or was your
>search limited to the public library in Superior Wisconsin which
>not surprisingly has been purged of the subject?

What does Superior Wisconsin have to do with it?

What did you search on? My search on catalylic converter zddp said
those are the ones I found
From: aarcuda69062 on
In article <6mo813p52ka8bunuel7p7jvim3dghkfqmg(a)4ax.com>,
Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:

> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:49:30 -0400, aarcuda69062
> <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <cao7135clt52vd03rkcmu38i04s5g237n8(a)4ax.com>,
> > Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:09:52 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >What is critically important is to _NEVER_ use a non-API certified oil
> >> >such as Amsoil's products (other than the XL-7500 line) in a vehicle
> >> >with a catalytic converter. In specialty vehicles without catalytic
> >> >converters, the high levels of ZDDP in non-API certified oils are a
> >> >benefit. The use of non-API certified oils will void the emissions
> >> >control part of your warranty, though in reality you would have to
> >> >combine a non-certified oil, a vehicle that burns sufficient oil to
> >> >destroy the catalytic converter before the warranty expires. Even so,
> >> >since many people keep vehicles well past the emissions warranty
> >> >expiration, you would still not want to risk damaging your vehicle.
> >>
> >> Let me chime in here. Amsoil's non API certified oil has been tested,
> >> at least the ASL 5W-30 and the results show that there was no effect
> >> on the catalytic converter.
> >>
> >> While in theory ZDDP can cause the converter to plug up, the main
> >> reason for them to plug up is something seriouly wrong with the
> >> engine.
> >
> >Apparently you don't know or understand the difference between a
> >plugged catalytic converter and one that has been poisoned and is
> >no longer efficient enough to perform properly.
>
> Just going buy what I read online like Wikipedia

Thanks for the confirmation.

> >
> >Not surprising.
>
> Whats that wise crack about?

Not a wise crack, just an observation.
From: Sophie on
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:27:05 GMT, aarcuda69062
<nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>In article <6mo813p52ka8bunuel7p7jvim3dghkfqmg(a)4ax.com>,
> Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:49:30 -0400, aarcuda69062
>> <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <cao7135clt52vd03rkcmu38i04s5g237n8(a)4ax.com>,
>> > Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:09:52 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >What is critically important is to _NEVER_ use a non-API certified oil
>> >> >such as Amsoil's products (other than the XL-7500 line) in a vehicle
>> >> >with a catalytic converter. In specialty vehicles without catalytic
>> >> >converters, the high levels of ZDDP in non-API certified oils are a
>> >> >benefit. The use of non-API certified oils will void the emissions
>> >> >control part of your warranty, though in reality you would have to
>> >> >combine a non-certified oil, a vehicle that burns sufficient oil to
>> >> >destroy the catalytic converter before the warranty expires. Even so,
>> >> >since many people keep vehicles well past the emissions warranty
>> >> >expiration, you would still not want to risk damaging your vehicle.
>> >>
>> >> Let me chime in here. Amsoil's non API certified oil has been tested,
>> >> at least the ASL 5W-30 and the results show that there was no effect
>> >> on the catalytic converter.
>> >>
>> >> While in theory ZDDP can cause the converter to plug up, the main
>> >> reason for them to plug up is something seriouly wrong with the
>> >> engine.
>> >
>> >Apparently you don't know or understand the difference between a
>> >plugged catalytic converter and one that has been poisoned and is
>> >no longer efficient enough to perform properly.
>>
>> Just going buy what I read online like Wikipedia
>
>Thanks for the confirmation.

Oh, your one of those

>
>> >
>> >Not surprising.
>>
>> Whats that wise crack about?
>
>Not a wise crack, just an observation.

Sorry but I don't participate in flame wars.