From: Sophie on
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:51:23 GMT, aarcuda69062
<nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>In article <jhr813hn2829ffm9a432c5gbj5n02epq0l(a)4ax.com>,
> Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:27:05 GMT, aarcuda69062
>> <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <6mo813p52ka8bunuel7p7jvim3dghkfqmg(a)4ax.com>,
>> > Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:49:30 -0400, aarcuda69062
>> >> <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <cao7135clt52vd03rkcmu38i04s5g237n8(a)4ax.com>,
>> >> > Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:09:52 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >What is critically important is to _NEVER_ use a non-API certified oil
>> >> >> >such as Amsoil's products (other than the XL-7500 line) in a vehicle
>> >> >> >with a catalytic converter. In specialty vehicles without catalytic
>> >> >> >converters, the high levels of ZDDP in non-API certified oils are a
>> >> >> >benefit. The use of non-API certified oils will void the emissions
>> >> >> >control part of your warranty, though in reality you would have to
>> >> >> >combine a non-certified oil, a vehicle that burns sufficient oil to
>> >> >> >destroy the catalytic converter before the warranty expires. Even so,
>> >> >> >since many people keep vehicles well past the emissions warranty
>> >> >> >expiration, you would still not want to risk damaging your vehicle.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Let me chime in here. Amsoil's non API certified oil has been tested,
>> >> >> at least the ASL 5W-30 and the results show that there was no effect
>> >> >> on the catalytic converter.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> While in theory ZDDP can cause the converter to plug up, the main
>> >> >> reason for them to plug up is something seriouly wrong with the
>> >> >> engine.
>> >> >
>> >> >Apparently you don't know or understand the difference between a
>> >> >plugged catalytic converter and one that has been poisoned and is
>> >> >no longer efficient enough to perform properly.
>> >>
>> >> Just going buy what I read online like Wikipedia
>> >
>> >Thanks for the confirmation.
>>
>> Oh, your one of those
>
>One of what, a contraction?

Someone that no matter the source cited always makes a lame comment if
it deosen't agree with your view

>
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Not surprising.
>> >>
>> >> Whats that wise crack about?
>> >
>> >Not a wise crack, just an observation.
>>
>> Sorry but I don't participate in flame wars.
>
>IOWs, you can't come up with any slick sales talk that explains
>why Scamsoil doesn't have one single solitary OEM approval.

You just make my point when you start calling it scamsoil
From: Ed White on
On Apr 3, 8:12 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...(a)geemail.com> wrote:
> John Henderson wrote:
> > "These engines use built-in sensors that continually monitor the
> > oil quality, making it possible to enjoy reliable and confident
> > motoring for up to a maximum of 30,000* miles or 24 months
> > (whichever occurs first)".
>
> So what are they sensing? I doubt if their measuring acidity or moisture
> content. Maybe they're looking at turbidity with an LED and photosensor.
> Further down in that white paper they state the different regimes, and
> it seems like the only reason they would need to do this is if the
> sensing system can't tell when the oil needs to be changed based on the
> oil condition.

I have read several SAE papers that discussed measuring properties to
determine oil life. They have tried measuring electrical properties
(resistance, capacitance, etc) and optical properties. The papers I
read did not indicate that measuring these properties was adequate. I
noticed that in the VW LongLife Monitoring system requires a specifi
brand and type of oil. Furthermore, if oil of the incorrect type is
used, the system may indicate an oil change is needed. This leads me
to believe that the oil includes an ingredient that is monitored by
the system. When this particular ingredient is depleted or changed in
some way, the system indicates an oil change is needed. So instead of
actually measuring the lubricating properties of the oil, they are
measuring something else that was added to the oil that changes in
concert with the degradation of the oil. This is a novel approach that
seems like a good approach - at least to me.

More information at:

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/services/servicing/longlife_service_regime
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/services/servicing/service_intervals

Ed

From: aarcuda69062 on
In article <pmr9135kridj8obiisodh6sgjf8rpegi82(a)4ax.com>,
Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:

> >> Oh, your one of those
> >
> >One of what, a contraction?
>
> Someone that no matter the source cited always makes a lame comment if
> it deosen't agree with your view

Well, that would certainly fit you then, wouldn't it?
You claimed that Amsoil had been tested and didn't have any
effect on catalytic converters, but then you posted clear
evidence that you didn't have a clue on -what- that effect would
be.

> >> >Not a wise crack, just an observation.
> >>
> >> Sorry but I don't participate in flame wars.
> >
> >IOWs, you can't come up with any slick sales talk that explains
> >why Scamsoil doesn't have one single solitary OEM approval.
>
> You just make my point when you start calling it scamsoil

It IS a scam.
Multi level marketing and doesn't even carry anything close to
the industry recognized approvals that even the house brand
conventional oil at NAPA does.

How easily does one need to be duped to meet -your- standards.
From: Sophie on
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:50:11 -0400, aarcuda69062
<nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>In article <pmr9135kridj8obiisodh6sgjf8rpegi82(a)4ax.com>,
> Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote:
>
>> >> Oh, your one of those
>> >
>> >One of what, a contraction?
>>
>> Someone that no matter the source cited always makes a lame comment if
>> it deosen't agree with your view
>
>Well, that would certainly fit you then, wouldn't it?
>You claimed that Amsoil had been tested and didn't have any
>effect on catalytic converters, but then you posted clear
>evidence that you didn't have a clue on -what- that effect would
>be.

I didn't claim that about Amsoil, only about ZDDP and catalytic
converters.

However there is a case study on the Amsoil site, but you would just
blow that off now wouldn't you, despite it being indepedantly tested.

You must have some wierd beef with Amsoil
From: SMS on
Sophie wrote:

> Wow, never seen so much hatred towards one comanies oil

There is no hatred. Amsoil itself points out that other than the XL-7500
product, that their oil is not API certified, and explains why this is
the case. Unfortunately, you have many resellers that will say anything
to make money, and that don't understand anything about oil, engines,
emissions control, etc.. The people that buy inappropriate products for
their vehicles from these salespeople are their legal prey.