Automakers Lengthen Oil Change Intervals
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From: Timothy J. Lee on 28 Mar 2007 17:57 In article <eubq4b$j9r$1(a)panix2.panix.com>, Scott Dorsey <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote: >It would strike me also that car manufacturers would want you to change your >oil less often too, because they want to sell you a new car as soon as >possible. It's not in their best interest that your engine last forever. Actually, they probably know that most people will get tired of their cars long before they wear out, so it is in their interests for the cars to run well as long as possible (possibly in the hands of second, third, etc. owners) because: a. Reputational gains. Irv Gordon's car is probably a good advertisement for Volvo. b. A long lived car means more parts and service sales (even though some percentage of them will be using aftermarket parts and independent or do-it-yourself service). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
From: jim on 28 Mar 2007 19:18 "Timothy J. Lee" wrote: > > In article <eubq4b$j9r$1(a)panix2.panix.com>, > Scott Dorsey <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote: > >It would strike me also that car manufacturers would want you to change your > >oil less often too, because they want to sell you a new car as soon as > >possible. It's not in their best interest that your engine last forever. > > Actually, they probably know that most people will get tired of their > cars long before they wear out, so it is in their interests for the cars > to run well as long as possible (possibly in the hands of second, third, > etc. owners) because: > > a. Reputational gains. Irv Gordon's car is probably a good advertisement > for Volvo. > Well that certainly shoots your argument in the foot. Irv Gordon attributes the 2 and 1/2 million miles on his volvo to 3000k oil changes. Volvo on the other hand does not recommend 3k oil changes. The fact is there are very few people who want to keep their car that long. -jim > b. A long lived car means more parts and service sales (even though some > percentage of them will be using aftermarket parts and independent or > do-it-yourself service). > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Timothy J. Lee > Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. > No warranty of any kind is provided with this message. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
From: HLS on 28 Mar 2007 18:19 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:460a8c24$1(a)kcnews01... > can't find a single study that support the idea that 3000 mile > oil changes is effective in extending the life of an engine. Not even > Jiffy Lube has any back-up for the 3000 mile oil change > recommendation. > > Ed Unfortunately, Ed, you probably won't find a single study with meaningful data on the whole issue. I think such studies exist, but have not yet, myself, seen one.
From: Willy on 28 Mar 2007 18:28 "Steve Barker" <ichasetrains(a)some.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1didnaxM2aPiL5TbnZ2dnUVZ_v2knZ2d(a)giganews.com... > The question is will it make 300K? the answer is no. Not with the oil > abuse you've been giving it. > > -- > Steve Barker > > YOU should be the one > controlling YOUR car. > Check out: > www.lightsout.org > > > > > "Willy" <willyk(a)prodigy.net> wrote in message > news:SdiOh.3391$u03.152(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... > I have put well over >> 100K on my last 2 vehicles, changed the oil at 7500 miles, and never had >> a mechanical issue of any kind. >>> Willy >> >> >> > > Steve my friend, the marketing department has done their job, and you're a believer. It kind of reminds me of the US current fascination with drinking bottled water. Now remember 10 years ago we drank it from the kitchen sink at nanocents per glass, and we were all believed that the 'GOOD DRINKS' were those from a bottle, cola's in particular. Then the cola companies bought up the bottled water companies, and they've convinced us that we NEED more water, and they charge us MORE for a bottle of water than they do for a bottle of cola, which coincidentally, in many cases is made from the SAME filtered water they sell you in as drinking water for an even higher price. And they tell you DRINK MORE WATER IT'S GOOD FOR YOU. And most of us have a keen awareness that, based on the marketing hype, we all don't drink enough water. It's much the same with oil changes. We all believe, based on the old days, frequent oil changes are necessary, and much like drinking water, changing your oil more often certainly doesn't hurt anything... it's just that, if you're already drinking a few glasses of water a day (or changing your oil as suggested in your owners manual)... do you really NEED to change it more often? I drive fast and hard, around 50K a year, and have logged over a million miles, and I've NEVER EVER HAD A MECHANICAL FAILURE of any type on any of my autos. Nothing, notta, zip... and I know several people that purchased my vehicles after I ran them into the 150K range (which is when I typically trade or sell) and all of the vehicles which I had knowledge of continued to perform beautifully into the 250K range, and those owners sold or traded them at that time. So change every day if that give you peace of mind, and drink more water too!!!! lol Willy
From: Willy on 28 Mar 2007 18:38
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:gIydnXE3lpmSXJfbnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d(a)ptd.net... > In my former fleet serviced business we did oil analyses. On average > vehicles could run between 6,000 to 8,000 miles before there was even a > hint of oil deterioration and that was ten or more years ago. After a > number of years we stopped wasting time and money doing test and simply > changed oil between 6k and 7K and the vehicles were run up to 300K or more > in most cases > > Get smart and save money, WBMA 5K changes are a no brainer. > mike > > > "SnoMan" <admin(a)snoman.com> wrote in message > news:h53l035imksfd74polftjdc92bhl1dkscn(a)4ax.com... >> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:04:36 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Nope. Go look at the engine oil analysis done after 3K and 5K. No >>>difference in viscosity >> >> >> I seriously doubt that because I have seen otherwise. >> ----------------- >> TheSnoMan.com > > And to take it a step further, many new cars have oil monitoring system that tell you when it's time to change. Both of my Chevy's have this feature. My 04 Impala, which I typically change between 5-7500, at the 7500 mark usually says I have 40-50% oil life remaining. Admittedly I do 90% highway mileage at 65-75mph so there's no short trips and sitting in congestion, but I'm of the opinion GM isn't going to offer a 100k warranty on the powertrain and then allow the oil change mechanism to be too generous. If anything, it would probably suggest changing sooner than is really needed. Although I don't do it, I'm confident I could drive 15K before my car "change oil soon" light would turn on. On my new Equinox, which is driven by the wife - all low speed congested driving, at 2400 miles she's already showing only 40% oil life remaining. What a difference your "type of driving" makes in oil change frequency!!! (Plus it's a new engine). On the Nissan's I stick with the owners manual or less, the manual suggesting 7500 and I generall change at 6K. At 118K she still purrs like a kitten. Willy Willy |