From: Steve Barker on 29 Mar 2007 16:17 He's right is a few instances. the ford 460 use(d) a water cooled oil filter adaptor. The 6.9/7.3 idi diesel has a water to oil cooler. Never the less, it still takes a lot longer to get the oil to normal operating temp than it does the water. As mentioned before, you can have an open thermostat and still have cool to the touch oil. -- Steve Barker YOU should be the one controlling YOUR car. Check out: www.lightsout.org "Mike" <mik(a)localnet.com> wrote in message news:y6QOh.5631$B25.5278(a)news01.roc.ny... > > "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:3pOdnSmtV-AQ15bbnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d(a)comcast.com... >> In article <35mdnf-ezp432pbbnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Steve Barker >> wrote: >>> Wrong, just Wrong. >> >> In which universe? Not in this one. >> >> Here's a hint... oil coolers use the coolant to cool the oil. >> >> > > Wrong again Bret. Transmission coolers use the coolant in the radiator to > cool. All the engine oil coolers I have ever seen were air cooled > regardless of manufacturer. >
From: Timothy J. Lee on 29 Mar 2007 17:20 In article <1175120386_7405(a)sp6iad.superfeed.net>, jim <"sjedgingN0sp"@m(a)mwt.net> wrote: >"Timothy J. Lee" wrote: >> >> In article <eubq4b$j9r$1(a)panix2.panix.com>, >> Scott Dorsey <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote: >> >It would strike me also that car manufacturers would want you to change your >> >oil less often too, because they want to sell you a new car as soon as >> >possible. It's not in their best interest that your engine last forever. >> >> Actually, they probably know that most people will get tired of their >> cars long before they wear out, so it is in their interests for the cars >> to run well as long as possible (possibly in the hands of second, third, >> etc. owners) because: >> >> a. Reputational gains. Irv Gordon's car is probably a good advertisement >> for Volvo. >> > >Well that certainly shoots your argument in the foot. Irv Gordon >attributes the 2 and 1/2 million miles on his volvo to 3000k oil >changes. Volvo on the other hand does not recommend 3k oil changes. The argument was that the manufacturer did not necessarily want the car / engine to wear out, not anything specific about oil change intervals. What was the oil change interval and oil type that Volvo recommended in 1966 (when Irv Gordon's car was made)? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
From: Timothy J. Lee on 29 Mar 2007 17:25 In article <dpdtd4-ah4.ln1(a)remote.clifto.com>, clifto <clifto(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I thought Rotella was only rated for diesels these days. Some types of Rotella have gasoline engine ratings, although diesel engines are the primary emphasis. For example, Rotella T Synthetic 5W-40 has API CI-4 Plus and several engine manufacturer-specific diesel engine ratings, but also has API SL for gasoline engines that do not require anything other than the API SL (or previous) rating. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
From: Mike on 29 Mar 2007 18:27 "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:cfqdneqLv6UIlJHbnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d(a)comcast.com... > In article <72TOh.5643$B25.3136(a)news01.roc.ny>, Mike wrote: >> >> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:B9ydnV5g_9AtU5bbnZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d(a)comcast.com... >>> In article <s4QOh.5630$B25.2607(a)news01.roc.ny>, Mike wrote: >>>> >>>> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:wJWdnaPFx-OKoZbbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)comcast.com... >>>>> In article <5e7m03h7jbpfh502qbt6nepp7ic8rsh94e(a)4ax.com>, clare at >>>>> snyder.on.ca wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Minimum 20 minutes to get the oil to full operating temperature, and >>>>>> then about another 10 minutes for every day of short run cold >>>>>> morning, >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>> When your coolant has reached OT and the thermostat is open, the oil >>>>> has >>>>> reached operating temperature some time before that. It's basic heat >>>>> transfer. If it had not, the coolant and engine block would still be >>>>> warming the oil and the Tstat would remain close. >>> >>>> Wrong. The oil takes much longer to reach operating temp than the >>>> coolant. Want proof, just wait till the thermostat opens and feel the >>>> bottom >>>> of the oil pan, still not hot is it ? >>> >>> The oil is circulating, not sitting in the pan warming it up. The pan is >>> where oil cools for the next go around. The pan should be cooler than >>> the >>> oil circulating in the engine. >>> >> >> After a nice long higway run put your hand on the oil pan and tell me >> just how cool it feels to you. > > 1) cooler than the oil. Ever do an oil change? The oil coming out is > hotter than the outside of the pan. Only in your world. Try doing an oil change after the vehicle has been driven at highway speed for an hour. > > 2) Put your hand on the transmission and/or the differential if RWD after > a > nice highway drive. Guess what they'll be warm too. > What does that have to do with engine oil temperature ???? Try to follow along now.
From: Mike on 29 Mar 2007 18:30
"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:cfqdneWLv6VElJHbnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d(a)comcast.com... > In article <72TOh.5644$B25.1424(a)news01.roc.ny>, Mike wrote: > >> No, but I have run heavy equipment that was equiped with an oil temp >> guage, does that count ? > > And there lies your source of error. > And what error would that be ??? Does oil act differently depending upon the engine it is used in ??? |