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From: aarcuda69062 on 4 Apr 2007 23:46 In article <1so813176fnhf7domi2juhakhdqj9om8i7(a)4ax.com>, Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote: > On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:09:56 -0400, aarcuda69062 > <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > >In article <jgo71358d16g4pa4alif5gdb88e0lekkpo(a)4ax.com>, > > Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:49:10 GMT, aarcuda69062 > >> <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> > >> >In article <tk67131deso2obeg3o2rtn9jtkvv97kio3(a)4ax.com>, > >> > Andy <wisynoil(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> >ol' Andy has been pitching his scamsoil in these groups for a > >> >> >while now. > >> >> > >> >> Just stating the facts, it amzing how many uneducated people there are > >> >> spouting iies. The data is clear on this, the tests show it. Why you > >> >> have such a hard time dealing with the truth is beyond me. > >> > > >> >You've either been under a rock for the last 12 years or you're > >> >just hopelessly obtuse. > >> >ZDDP poisons catalytic converters, the amounts of ZDDP in motor > >> >oil have to be reduced in order for manufacturers to meet EPA > >> >warranty requirements on catalytic converters. > >> >ZDDP makes mediocre motor oils perform as well as better quality > >> >motor oils, so your statement that Scamsoil uses more of it > >> >merely shows what a poor product it really is. > >> > >> Do you often stoop to name calling when you can't get your way? > > > >Umm, what name calling and what way would that be? > > > >> I searched on ZDDP and catalytic convertors, none of which said ZDDP > >> from engine oil caused a problem unless the engine had a major > >> malfuntion. > > > >Funny, I got 1260 hits on Google. > >Was your computer not connected to the internet or was your > >search limited to the public library in Superior Wisconsin which > >not surprisingly has been purged of the subject? > > What does Superior Wisconsin have to do with it? You guys don't even know where your 'mecca' is? > What did you search on? I already said what I searched on. (hint) it wasn't the Amsoil web site search engine. > My search on catalylic converter zddp said > those are the ones I found There is a ton of information out there documenting ZDDP poisoning of catalytic converters. This shouldn't be a big mystery, the service classification specs (SH to SJ) were upgraded over 10 years ago about the same time that OBD2 emissions specifications were implemented. Why aren't you addressing the rest of what I had written in that post?
From: aarcuda69062 on 5 Apr 2007 00:51 In article <jhr813hn2829ffm9a432c5gbj5n02epq0l(a)4ax.com>, Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:27:05 GMT, aarcuda69062 > <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > >In article <6mo813p52ka8bunuel7p7jvim3dghkfqmg(a)4ax.com>, > > Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:49:30 -0400, aarcuda69062 > >> <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> > >> >In article <cao7135clt52vd03rkcmu38i04s5g237n8(a)4ax.com>, > >> > Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:09:52 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >What is critically important is to _NEVER_ use a non-API certified oil > >> >> >such as Amsoil's products (other than the XL-7500 line) in a vehicle > >> >> >with a catalytic converter. In specialty vehicles without catalytic > >> >> >converters, the high levels of ZDDP in non-API certified oils are a > >> >> >benefit. The use of non-API certified oils will void the emissions > >> >> >control part of your warranty, though in reality you would have to > >> >> >combine a non-certified oil, a vehicle that burns sufficient oil to > >> >> >destroy the catalytic converter before the warranty expires. Even so, > >> >> >since many people keep vehicles well past the emissions warranty > >> >> >expiration, you would still not want to risk damaging your vehicle. > >> >> > >> >> Let me chime in here. Amsoil's non API certified oil has been tested, > >> >> at least the ASL 5W-30 and the results show that there was no effect > >> >> on the catalytic converter. > >> >> > >> >> While in theory ZDDP can cause the converter to plug up, the main > >> >> reason for them to plug up is something seriouly wrong with the > >> >> engine. > >> > > >> >Apparently you don't know or understand the difference between a > >> >plugged catalytic converter and one that has been poisoned and is > >> >no longer efficient enough to perform properly. > >> > >> Just going buy what I read online like Wikipedia > > > >Thanks for the confirmation. > > Oh, your one of those One of what, a contraction? > > > >> > > >> >Not surprising. > >> > >> Whats that wise crack about? > > > >Not a wise crack, just an observation. > > Sorry but I don't participate in flame wars. IOWs, you can't come up with any slick sales talk that explains why Scamsoil doesn't have one single solitary OEM approval.
From: SMS on 5 Apr 2007 00:54 aarcuda69062 wrote: > There is a ton of information out there documenting ZDDP > poisoning of catalytic converters. This shouldn't be a big > mystery, the service classification specs (SH to SJ) were > upgraded over 10 years ago about the same time that OBD2 > emissions specifications were implemented. > > Why aren't you addressing the rest of what I had written in that > post? One more person is apparently drinking the Amsoil Kool Aid. No one in their right mind would use a non-API certified oil on a vehicle with catalytic converter, because the only reason that such oils aren't certified is because they can't be certified, because of the phosphorus level which is a component of the ZDDP. It's always amusing to see the Amdroids spout their nonsense. If you Google "catalytic converter phosphorus" the first hit that comes up explains the issue. "...over time the lower level of phosphorus reduces contamination to extend the life of the converter." Remember, a certain amount of oil burning is inevitable on most engines, and it increases as valve guides and rings wear. You don't run out and get a ring job for $2000 on a vehicle that burns a quart of oil every 3000 miles. Also, many people mistakenly believe that their engine doesn't burn oil because the oil level doesn't fall, but what often happens is that moisture makes up for moderate oil burning, so when you check your oil level it appears to be full. It's cheap insurance to use an API certified oil with an acceptable level of phosphorus. No use risking expensive repairs by using non-certified oil. The lowering of phosphorus levels was done for a very good reason.
From: Sophie on 5 Apr 2007 08:41 On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:46:02 GMT, aarcuda69062 <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >In article <1so813176fnhf7domi2juhakhdqj9om8i7(a)4ax.com>, > Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote: > >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:09:56 -0400, aarcuda69062 >> <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >In article <jgo71358d16g4pa4alif5gdb88e0lekkpo(a)4ax.com>, >> > Sophie <none(a)yours> wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:49:10 GMT, aarcuda69062 >> >> <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <tk67131deso2obeg3o2rtn9jtkvv97kio3(a)4ax.com>, >> >> > Andy <wisynoil(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >ol' Andy has been pitching his scamsoil in these groups for a >> >> >> >while now. >> >> >> >> >> >> Just stating the facts, it amzing how many uneducated people there are >> >> >> spouting iies. The data is clear on this, the tests show it. Why you >> >> >> have such a hard time dealing with the truth is beyond me. >> >> > >> >> >You've either been under a rock for the last 12 years or you're >> >> >just hopelessly obtuse. >> >> >ZDDP poisons catalytic converters, the amounts of ZDDP in motor >> >> >oil have to be reduced in order for manufacturers to meet EPA >> >> >warranty requirements on catalytic converters. >> >> >ZDDP makes mediocre motor oils perform as well as better quality >> >> >motor oils, so your statement that Scamsoil uses more of it >> >> >merely shows what a poor product it really is. >> >> >> >> Do you often stoop to name calling when you can't get your way? >> > >> >Umm, what name calling and what way would that be? >> > >> >> I searched on ZDDP and catalytic convertors, none of which said ZDDP >> >> from engine oil caused a problem unless the engine had a major >> >> malfuntion. >> > >> >Funny, I got 1260 hits on Google. >> >Was your computer not connected to the internet or was your >> >search limited to the public library in Superior Wisconsin which >> >not surprisingly has been purged of the subject? >> >> What does Superior Wisconsin have to do with it? > >You guys don't even know where your 'mecca' is? My meca, what the hell are you talking about? The oil I use is Yamalube, get it from the dealer.
From: Sophie on 5 Apr 2007 08:42
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:54:58 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote: >aarcuda69062 wrote: > >> There is a ton of information out there documenting ZDDP >> poisoning of catalytic converters. This shouldn't be a big >> mystery, the service classification specs (SH to SJ) were >> upgraded over 10 years ago about the same time that OBD2 >> emissions specifications were implemented. >> >> Why aren't you addressing the rest of what I had written in that >> post? > >One more person is apparently drinking the Amsoil Kool Aid. No one in >their right mind would use a non-API certified oil on a vehicle with >catalytic converter, because the only reason that such oils aren't >certified is because they can't be certified, because of the phosphorus >level which is a component of the ZDDP. Wow, never seen so much hatred towards one comanies oil |