Automakers Lengthen Oil Change Intervals
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From: Willy on 9 Apr 2007 21:19 "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:4612cc76$0$27168$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > Willy wrote: > >> The last few years they have a true sensor which detects when the oil >> needs changed, and has no connection to mileage. > > There still is a connection. They use the number of starts, the average > number of miles per start, the average speed, maximum speed, etc. They > don't have any kind of system that evaluates the oil properties, it's all > based on usage factors. you are totally mistaking. while the formula does consider starts, stops, engine revolutions, more than anything, it monitors the chemical properties of the oil. Willy
From: Willy on 9 Apr 2007 21:25 "aarcuda69062" <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:nonelson-146CC0.11490804042007(a)newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com... > In article <tk67131deso2obeg3o2rtn9jtkvv97kio3(a)4ax.com>, > Andy <wisynoil(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >ol' Andy has been pitching his scamsoil in these groups for a >> >while now. >> >> Just stating the facts, it amzing how many uneducated people there are >> spouting iies. The data is clear on this, the tests show it. Why you >> have such a hard time dealing with the truth is beyond me. > > You've either been under a rock for the last 12 years or you're > just hopelessly obtuse. > ZDDP poisons catalytic converters, the amounts of ZDDP in motor > oil have to be reduced in order for manufacturers to meet EPA > warranty requirements on catalytic converters. > ZDDP makes mediocre motor oils perform as well as better quality > motor oils, so your statement that Scamsoil uses more of it > merely shows what a poor product it really is. As does Mobil 1's new 15K oil, fwiw. Willy
From: aarcuda69062 on 10 Apr 2007 00:16 In article <3NBSh.2086$Q23.1675(a)newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, "Willy" <willyk(a)prodigy.net> wrote: > > You've either been under a rock for the last 12 years or you're > > just hopelessly obtuse. > > ZDDP poisons catalytic converters, the amounts of ZDDP in motor > > oil have to be reduced in order for manufacturers to meet EPA > > warranty requirements on catalytic converters. > > ZDDP makes mediocre motor oils perform as well as better quality > > motor oils, so your statement that Scamsoil uses more of it > > merely shows what a poor product it really is. > > As does Mobil 1's new 15K oil, fwiw. > > Willy Yet it manages to meet many more specifications and approvals than Scamsoil, including the one(s) that restrict phosphorus (ZDDP) i.e., it meets API service grade SM.
From: SMS on 10 Apr 2007 11:16 aarcuda69062 wrote: > Yet it manages to meet many more specifications and approvals > than Scamsoil, including the one(s) that restrict phosphorus > (ZDDP) i.e., it meets API service grade SM. Mobil could not afford to make non-API certified oil for consumer use, the liability would be too high. With Amsoil, the burden is on the user to prove that the catalytic converter failed earlier due to the additional phosphorus. Their warranty has so many caveats that it would be just about impossible to collect. I.e., if a catalytic converter that would normally last 200K miles failed at 100K miles due to the higher phosphorus level, of course Amsoil is not going to pay because how could it be proven that the reason for the early failure was the phosphorus level.
From: Ed White on 10 Apr 2007 11:18
On Apr 8, 5:58 pm, "Noozer" <dont.s...(a)me.here> wrote: > "Mark A" <nob...(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message > > news:bKKdnedkKssByYTbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d(a)comcast.com... > > > "Noozer" <dont.s...(a)me.here> wrote in message > >news:MTaSh.45353$6m4.32747(a)pd7urf1no... > >> What makes an oil "energy saving"? If I put two oils of the same grade > >> side by side, where one was energy saving and the other not, what > >> difference would I find? > > > The energy saving formula would produce better gas mileage. > > If the grades are the same, then they should thin similarly. Oil is slippery > regardless of what you put in it. What is it that would make Mobil 1 EP 5w30 > not energy saving, but Mobil 1 5w30 would be? Additives. See http://www.pzlqs.com/techdata/l7_techbulletin_fs.htm . Ed |