BP oil disaster: Who made it that way?
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From: cuhulin on 28 Jun 2010 09:18 Russia offered huge super tanker Aircraft to help put out huge wildfires in America.American fed govt turned the Russians offer down. The Dutch people reclaim land from the Sea.They know how to take good care of their land, oil and whatever. cuhulin
From: jim on 28 Jun 2010 09:48 Tegger wrote: > > > > > > You really should read that article. The article is made up BS. It is mostly fiction. > > To briefly summarize it in case you still wish not to read it: > 1) The Dutch repeatedly offered their equipment and men--at no charge. This is fiction. The Dutch offered the equipment for sale. BP bought all the equipment the Dutch had on hand. BP also bought all the equipment Costner's company had. And they have brought in equipment from Norway and Sweden also. Bp has already spent billions on equipment and crews to throw at the problem. > 2) US environment law precluded the use of that equipment because it didn't > make the water "clean" enough. BS the equipment is being used to clean up the oil. > 3) Dutch marine-based earth-moving equipment was disallowed from being used > to quickly build sand-dikes on shore, because US labor unions wanted > /their/ people to operate it instead of the Dutch. This too looks like fiction. My newspaper reported that it was the US excavating companies that objected. However it is very doubtful that these sand berms are going to do much of anything except protect a tiny tiny island. > > The delays and inaction resulting from US policy resulted in the > /disaster/, not the spill itself. The very same government stupidity led to > the Exxon Valdez /disaster/ as well. Your misinformation is a disaster.
From: jim on 28 Jun 2010 09:55 hls wrote: > > "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt.net> wrote in message > > > > Any number of people could have shut down the operations on the Deepwater > > Horizon if they had safety concerns. But nobody thought the well was about > > to > > blow, or that the whole rig would be almost instantly engulfed in flames, > > or > > that the BOP would fail. If you listened to the testimony at the MMS-USCG > > hearings everyone thought they were going to be packing up and to leave > > for a > > new drilling location in a couple of days. > > > > -jim > > And this is pure bullshit, Jim. Schlumberger moved off this rig several > hours > before the blowout because they KNEW and they COMMUNICATED > that this was excessively risky. They communicated to whom? > They, according to my information, were > not ferried off by BP paid helicopter services but instead had to call > their land office and order their own helicopter services. (There is more, > and much more explicit information, that may come out about this) That contradicts the sworn testimony of a number of witnesses. According to the survivors Schlumberger crew was on the rig that day. They had done some tests a few days before the blow out and remained on standby to do a cement log if the pressure tests indicated there was a problem with the cement. When the pressure tests held the Schlumberger crew was told they weren't needed and they could go home. They left on a regularly scheduled flight 11 hours before the blow out. A cement log at this point was not in the well plan and not required by regulation. The procedure they were following that day was the procedure that was outlined in the approved well plan. There was no plan to do a cement log unless the pressure tests indicated a problem. You don't know what caused the well to blow and you know even less about what might have been done differently to prevent what happened. If they ever succeed in drilling a relief well and if they succeed in filling the well bore with mud via that relief well and killing the flow, then they may someday be able to make a determination as to what went wrong down in the hole. At that point they will be able to also bring the BOP to the surface and inspect it. > > Any mud engineer could tell you the problem of circulating salt water > when you were already taking kicks in a high pressure zone. It is, > and was, suicide. That is your speculation based on your unsubstantiated facts. There were two mud engineer from M-I SWAKO who were monitoring the mud displacement at the time of the blow out and explosion. According to a fellow Swaco employee (compliance technician) who talked to the mud engineers just before the blow out there was nothing abnormal or any indication of a problem 20 minutes before the explosion when he left the mud room. The Swaco mud engineers died in the explosion. The technician who testified was lucky enough to complete his duties just before the incident or he would have been among the dead also. The Transocean driller and asst driller and tool pushers also died. > > It cost several people their lives. Yes it killed the men in the drill room and the mud room. Most of the men killed were in a position to know if the condition of the well was dangerous and had the authority to halt operations if safety was a concern. > > Keep reading, and I think you will be amazed at the incompetence that > caused this. It is maybe worse than incompetence..It is hubris. Incompetence may well have played a role. Lots of things if done differently may have produced a different outcome. Who knows mistakes made on the drill floor that night may have contributed, but it all happened so fast there may never be any way to know what happened just before the blow out because everyone in a position to know died. Some things may be discovered when the well is controlled and somethings may never be determined. What is pretty clear is nobody was expecting the rig to explode, burn and sink. The fact that the rig almost immediately was engulfed in flames and there was essentially no time for anyone to do anything but abandon ship is really the root cause of why this is still an ongoing catastrophe. Without the explosion and fire and sinking of the rig this would have been managed one way or the other without much ado a long time ago. -jim > > The only entity that could have arrested this chain of events was BP, > not Hayward, but the local "company man". > > Had ALL the service companies (the true experts) walked off, this > disaster might never have happened.
From: hls on 28 Jun 2010 11:16 "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote in message > They communicated to whom? > They, according to the information I have from several sources, told this to the "company man", which it oilfield jargon for the BP employee on board who is in charge of all operations. > You don't know what caused the well to blow and you know even less > about what might have been done differently to prevent what happened. None of us "know", but that will come out in the final evaluation. What we think we know is that they had been circulating salt water instead of weighted mud, and that they had been taking pressure kicks. If you have enough hydrostatic head on the kicking formation, you can control the kicks and not go to full blowout, in most cases. > >> >> Any mud engineer could tell you the problem of circulating salt water >> when you were already taking kicks in a high pressure zone. It is, >> and was, suicide. > > That is your speculation based on your unsubstantiated facts. > That is my speculation based on what has surfaced so far. > What is pretty clear is nobody was expecting the rig to explode, burn > and sink. If the Schlumberger story is true, then they at least were expecting trouble. But I agree with you in the sense that this situation needs a complete investigation, and the true facts and results need to be made public.
From: hls on 28 Jun 2010 11:20
"Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >> BP made the mess > > Actually, we don't even know that yet. /Nobody/ yet knows exactly what > went > on down there. > Tegger Actually we DO know that. It was BPs operation, BP was in charge, and BP is responsible. They made the mess, by default. You seem to continue to use the word "spill" . The Exxon Valdez was a "spill". This is an uncontrolled blowout. |