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From: cuhulin on 2 Jul 2010 16:42
U.S.Coast Guard people are checking out A Whale right now.I hope they
let A Whale do it's stuff.
A Whale = Taiwanese giant oil skimming Ship.
It's worth a try.
From: Tegger on 2 Jul 2010 21:50
"hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in
> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message
>> US law requires that any water removed from the Gulf must have 15ppm,
>> or less, of any pollutants when returned to the Gulf. In other words,
>> water taken must be 99.9985% pure, or it can't be put back.
> In essence that is true, but that is not the whole story. 15 ppm IS
> the standard, but it cannot always be met..
It CANNOT be met without serious expenditure of time and money. Period.
It CANNOT be met and still allow oil to be recovered before it reaches the
coast (this is a current fact, having been proved several weeks ago, to the
chagrin of anyone who has trod upon the beaches of Louisiana, with the
notable exeption of the half-black man who has declared himself in charge
of this whole mess...).
The crime is that the US government STILL INSISTS on the 15ppm standard and
WILL NOT DEVIATE FROM IT.
NOBODY currently in power has bothered to waive the standard.
Do /you/, "hls", understand this basic fact? I think that you do not.
From: jim on 3 Jul 2010 09:11
> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in
> > "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message
> >> US law requires that any water removed from the Gulf must have 15ppm,
> >> or less, of any pollutants when returned to the Gulf. In other words,
> >> water taken must be 99.9985% pure, or it can't be put back.
> > In essence that is true, but that is not the whole story. 15 ppm IS
> > the standard, but it cannot always be met..
It is an International standard. It is met by every country in the world
that observes maritime law. This includes the Dutch. Every nation in
Europe has exactly the same environmental laws for dumping oil into sea
water that the US has.
> It CANNOT be met without serious expenditure of time and money. Period.
> It CANNOT be met and still allow oil to be recovered before it reaches the
> coast (this is a current fact, having been proved several weeks ago, to the
> chagrin of anyone who has trod upon the beaches of Louisiana, with the
> notable exeption of the half-black man who has declared himself in charge
> of this whole mess...).
BP has the responsibility under US law to cleanup the spilled oil. BP
is the one that is paying for the purchased or rented equipment for the
clean up. During the first 6 weeks of the spill the government allowed
BP to decide which equipment to procure. Since around June 10 the Coast
Guard has taken over that decision making process. BP is still paying
In order for BP to be licensed to drill in the Gulf they are required
to have the equipment available to clean up the worst case spill. The
worst case happens to be twice as big as this spill. BP already had 100
skimmers in the Gulf in early May. Now they have 600 skimmers and more
are on order. In all there are now 6000 ships that have been purchased
The Dutch skimmers have been purchased and are in the Gulf. The
problem is they are not "the solution" they are just a tiny tiny part of
the clean up.
The US Government I'm sure would love to push BP as hard as possible to
get the gusher stopped and the mess in the Gulf cleaned up. The
government already has enough to hit BP with penalties approaching the
net worth of BP's US holdings. But BP is a corporation and the
government is well aware that if they demand too much of this
corporation it could just declare bankruptcy and walk away from it all.
BP can at any time they decide to simply hand over all their US assets
to a US court and walk away and not look back. That means it would be
the government's job at taxpayer expense to stop the leak and clean up
It may come to that eventually but at this point most rational minds
would agree that this would not be the best time for the government to
get into the oil drilling business.
> The crime is that the US government STILL INSISTS on the 15ppm standard and
> WILL NOT DEVIATE FROM IT.
No matter how many times you repeat your lies they are still lies. The
US Government is not now and never has at any time in this clean ever
stopped skimmers from returning oily water to the Gulf. And the Jones
Act has never prevented any foreign ship from participating in the clean
up. There are now and have been from the beginning foreign ships
involved in the clean up.
> NOBODY currently in power has bothered to waive the standard.
> Do /you/, "hls", understand this basic fact? I think that you do not.
It is not a fact. It is a lie. The Coast Guard informed the skimmers in
the early stages of the clean up that if they return oily water to the
Gulf in front of the skimmer it will not be considered a discharge in
violation of the MARPOL regulations.
Neither the Europeans or the US has the authority to waive the MARPOL
regulations. Only the International Maritime Organization has that
authority to waive International maritime laws. What the US government
is doing in the GOM is no different than what other Maritime nations do
in the same circumstances.
From: QuiGon7x on 5 Jul 2010 22:33
Deepwater BP Oil Spill
"To the people of the Gulf Coast: I know that you've weathered your fair
share of trials and tragedy. I know there have been times where you've
wondered if you were being asked to face them alone. I am here to tell
you that you're not alone. You will not be abandoned. You will not be
-- President Barack Obama, U.S. Coast Guard Station, Grande Isle,
Read the Transcript
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Information on Spill-Related Damages and Claims
Fishermen and those affected by the BP Oil Spill who wish to contact BP
about a claim should call 1-800-440-0858. For those who have already
pursued the BP claims process and are not satisfied with BP's
resolution, can call the Coast Guard at 1-800-280-7118. For more
information on assistance for small business owners and others in
affected areas, visit
What You Can Do
Request volunteer information and register to volunteer: (866)-448-5816
Submit your vessel as a vessel of opportunity skimming system or submit
alternative response technology, services or products: (281) 366-5511
Report oiled or injured wildlife: 1-866-557-1401
Report oil on land: 1-866-448-5816
State specific volunteer opportunities:
Federal Response Resources
Check out the links below to find out how federal departments and
agencies are responding to the Deepwater BP Oil Spill:
Joint Information Center
At the beginning of the event, the Coast Guard elevated the response and
established a Regional Command Center and Joint Information Center in
Robert, La., inviting all partners in the response to join. Get the
latest updates from the partners on the ground in the Gulf Coast:
Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
Since the moments after the oil rig explosion on the night of April 20,
DHS has played a lead role in federal response efforts deploying the
U.S. Coast Guard to search and rescue the 126 people aboard the rig, and
quickly leading efforts to establish a command center on the Gulf Coast
to address the potential environmental impact of the event and to
coordinate with all state and local governments. Secretary Napolitano
leads the National Response Team, an organization of 16 federal
departments and agencies responsible for coordinating emergency
preparedness and response to oil and hazardous substance pollution
U.S. Coast Guard
The Coast Guard has played a major role from the very beginning, when it
responded to the explosion on a search and rescue mission to save lives.
Pursuant to the National Contingency Plan, Rear Admiral Mary Landry was
named the Federal On-Scene Coordinator to lead a Regional Response Team
which was stood up that included DHS, DOC/NOAA, DOI and the EPA, as well
as state and local representatives. As the event escalated, Coast Guard
Admiral Thad Allen was announced as the National Incident Commander for
the administration's continued, coordinated response providing
additional coordinated oversight in leveraging every available resource
to respond to the BP oil spill and minimize the associated environmental
Department of the Interior (DOI)
The morning after the explosion, Secretary of the Interior deployed
Deputy Secretary David J. Hayes to the Gulf Coast to assist with
coordination and response to the event, and provide hourly reports back
to the administration. Since then, DOI has played a vital role in
overseeing BP's response efforts while at the President's request
working to deliver a report with recommendations on what, if any,
additional safety measures should be required for offshore operations.
Secretary Salazar has announced that inspections of all deepwater rigs
and platforms are underway.
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
Since the BP Oil Spill, EPA has provided full support to the U.S. Coast
Guard and is monitoring and responding to potential public health and
environmental concerns. Environmental data, including air quality and
water samples, will be posted and frequently updated on this site as it
is collected and validated by EPA's response teams along the impacted
coastlines. This data is meant to determine potential risks to public
health and the environment:
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
As the nation's leading scientific resource for oil spills, NOAA has
been on the scene of the Deepwater Horizon spill from the start,
providing coordinated scientific weather and biological response
services to federal, state and local organizations:
Weather Forecast: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/lix/
Small Business Administration
SBA is making low-interest loans available to small businesses in the
Gulf Coast regions of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi
suffering financial losses following the April 20 Deepwater BP oil spill
that shut down commercial and recreational fishing in the Gulf of
Mexico. SBA's Economic Injury Disaster Loans (EIDL) are available
immediately in designated counties and parishes of each of the four
states to help meet the financial needs of qualifying small businesses
following the oil spill:
Department of Defense (DOD)
DOD continues to support the ongoing response effort by lending Naval
and Air Force bases to provide vital staging areas for boom deployments
and other activities, and providing C-130 aircraft equipped with Modular
Aerial Spray Systems, which dispense chemical dispersant capable of
covering up to 250 acres per flight. DOD also plays a significant role
in the National Response Team, helping to lead the coordination of
response actions for the federal government. Secretary of Defense Gates
has authorized use of Title 32 status for up to 17,500 National Guard
members in four states: Alabama (3,000), Florida (2,500), Louisiana
(6,000) and Mississippi (6,000).
Department of the Interior's Fish and Wildlife Service
The Fish and Wildlife Service continues to support the joint agency
response to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico with
experienced specialists, land managers, and support personnel. Booms to
capture and deflect anticipated oil are being deployed at Breton
National Wildlife Refuge, where thousands of brown pelicans and
shorebirds are currently nesting. The Service also is initiating Natural
Resource Damage Assessment and Restoration activities in this incident
to assess and address the long-term damage to impacted resources:
Department of the Interior's National Park Service
The National Park Service is focused on human safety and resource
protection in eight national parks in the Gulf area. These parks are
working to assess resources, collect baseline data, coordinate boom
placements, plan for responsible cleanup, install barriers for shore
bird and turtle nest protection, and plan for potential park closures,
National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health
Oil spill response workers may be exposed to many different chemical,
physical, biological, and psychological hazards. These hazards vary
depending on the type and location of the oil spill, type and stage of
response, degree of coordination between entities involved in response
and recovery, and the workers' specific tasks. Therefore, occupational
and environmental hazards need to be identified, assessed, and monitored
in each oil spill response:
A chronology of the ongoing administration-wide response to the
Deepwater BP Oil Spill, beginning on April 20, is available here.
Information on Air, Food, and Water Safety
Air: With the prevalence of vapor concerns from oil near the Gulf coast
and the controlled burning to help contain the spread of oil, air
quality is a health concern. EPA has initiated an air monitoring effort
to ensure the safety of local residents and track any developing air
Although crude oil has the potential to taint seafood with flavors and
odors caused by exposure to hydrocarbon chemicals, the public should not
be concerned about the safety of seafood in stores at this time.
There is no reason to believe that any contaminated product has made its
way to the market.
NOAA is restricting fishing for a minimum of ten days in federal waters
most affected by the BP oil spill, largely between Louisiana state
waters at the mouth of the Mississippi River to waters off Florida's
Pensacola Bay. The closure is effective immediately.
Fishermen who wish to contact BP about a claim should call
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