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From: Brent on 25 Jun 2010 15:32
On 2010-06-25, C. E. White <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> "Brent" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:i02b6g$ssk$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 2010-06-25, C. E. White <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dave" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:sgb826ta7fgt9legqruahto4qqnc4c5kq7(a)4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> They should drop something really heavy on that well. Heavy and
>>>> large. I'm thinking something like one of our floating museum
>>>> battleships or aircraft carriers.
>>>
>>> Wacko idea like this is why I am glad the government is letting BP handle
>>> the well containment plans.
>>
>> Which can't even seem to do sensible things... like the cap is too small
>> but then they accidently bump with the robot so it has to be removed but
>> they are going to put the same too small cap back on instead of putting
>> a larger one on now that there is a perfect chance to do so. Then again,
>> BP probably doesn't have a larger cap in stock...
>
> If you review the history of this mess, they actually had a very large box
> (aka a large cap) that covered the well and surrounding area. It didn't work
> becasue ice of a sort formed inside the box and blocked the pipe to the
> surface. The small cap works becasue they pump warmer water down to the cap
> to prevent the formation of the ice (actually some sort of hydride formed by
> the methane at high pressure). The guys working on this are not idiots
> despite what the government and the press suggest.

You're talking apples to oranges. I'm talking about taking the
opertunity to put a version of what they were using until the robot
bumped it where they could actually close all the vents. All the vents
could not be closed because the small take up pipe would create too much
pressure if they are closed.

> I am amazed how little attenion has been paid the governments role in this
> disaster. People make fun of the BP disaster plan, yet it was supposedly
> reviewed and approved by the government. The governemet was supposed to
> perform routine inspections to insure BP (actually the drilling contractor)
> were properly maintaing the equipment and following regulations - clearly
> they blew this off.

Government played a huge role. Government looks the other way for the
connected. The regulatory systems are there to give insiders advantages
not for the environment or to keep people safe. That's why the low low
damages cap was put in too. The mainstream media, the pro-state media,
is going to say that government just needs more power and money. So few
people question government failure and growth through failure that
alternatives are not even tried.

> And I think the govenors of Louisanna, Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida are
> huge hypocrites since all these state garner significant revenue from the
> oil and gas industry.

The feds over rule them on just about everything it appears so when it
asplodes it is not surprising they complain.

From: Jim Yanik on 25 Jun 2010 20:14
"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in
news:i02u7h$9a3$1(a)news.eternal-september.org:

>
> "Brent" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:i02b6g$ssk$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 2010-06-25, C. E. White <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dave" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:sgb826ta7fgt9legqruahto4qqnc4c5kq7(a)4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> They should drop something really heavy on that well. Heavy and
>>>> large. I'm thinking something like one of our floating museum
>>>> battleships or aircraft carriers.
>>>
>>> Wacko idea like this is why I am glad the government is letting BP
>>> handle the well containment plans.
>>
>> Which can't even seem to do sensible things... like the cap is too
>> small but then they accidently bump with the robot so it has to be
>> removed but they are going to put the same too small cap back on
>> instead of putting a larger one on now that there is a perfect chance
>> to do so. Then again, BP probably doesn't have a larger cap in
>> stock...
>
> If you review the history of this mess, they actually had a very large
> box (aka a large cap) that covered the well and surrounding area. It
> didn't work becasue ice of a sort formed inside the box and blocked
> the pipe to the surface. The small cap works becasue they pump warmer
> water down to the cap to prevent the formation of the ice (actually
> some sort of hydride formed by the methane at high pressure). The guys
> working on this are not idiots despite what the government and the
> press suggest.

don't forget that the Feds blocked LA and FL from taking their own actions
to prevent oil from fouling their shores. Or that Comrade Obama REFUSED
assistance from Norway and Netherlands. Comrade was busy playing golf.

>
> I am amazed how little attenion has been paid the governments role in
> this disaster. People make fun of the BP disaster plan, yet it was
> supposedly reviewed and approved by the government. The governemet was
> supposed to perform routine inspections to insure BP (actually the
> drilling contractor) were properly maintaing the equipment and
> following regulations - clearly they blew this off.
>
> And I think the govenors of Louisanna, Alabama, Mississippi, and
> Florida are huge hypocrites since all these state garner significant
> revenue from the oil and gas industry.

so what?



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
From: Dave Head on 25 Jun 2010 21:43
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:20:20 -0400, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>"Dave" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message
>news:sgb826ta7fgt9legqruahto4qqnc4c5kq7(a)4ax.com...
>
>> They should drop something really heavy on that well. Heavy and
>> large. I'm thinking something like one of our floating museum
>> battleships or aircraft carriers.
>
>Wacko idea like this is why I am glad the government is letting BP handle
>the well containment plans.
>
>Ed
>
Dropping something big and heavy on it is probably the ONLY way, short
of nuclear weapons, that they'll ever "cap" it. The well is
compromised probably 1000 feet below the surface of the sea floor, if
you look at this:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593/648967

So, they have a few shots left - drill a well and intercept THIS well
far below the surface, fill it with "drilling mud" and choke it off
that way. No, its not a scheme to intercept the oil reservoir and
relieve the pressure on it like the newsguys have been saying. And,
this scheme of intercepting the well far below the surface is not a
slam-dunk; if unsuccessful, the entire contents of that 3.5 billion
barrel reserve will likely leak out into the gulf over a period of
decades.

Drop something on it like I said, or nuke it, like the Russians have
said. Not too many options left...
From: Brent on 25 Jun 2010 23:06
On 2010-06-26, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote:

> http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593/648967
>
> So, they have a few shots left - drill a well and intercept THIS well
> far below the surface, fill it with "drilling mud" and choke it off
> that way. No, its not a scheme to intercept the oil reservoir and
> relieve the pressure on it like the newsguys have been saying. And,
> this scheme of intercepting the well far below the surface is not a
> slam-dunk; if unsuccessful, the entire contents of that 3.5 billion
> barrel reserve will likely leak out into the gulf over a period of
> decades.
>
> Drop something on it like I said, or nuke it, like the Russians have
> said. Not too many options left...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU

I think dropping something heavy on it would only cause the oil to come
out somewhere else.


From: Dave Head on 25 Jun 2010 23:33
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 03:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Brent
<tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 2010-06-26, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593/648967
>>
>> So, they have a few shots left - drill a well and intercept THIS well
>> far below the surface, fill it with "drilling mud" and choke it off
>> that way. No, its not a scheme to intercept the oil reservoir and
>> relieve the pressure on it like the newsguys have been saying. And,
>> this scheme of intercepting the well far below the surface is not a
>> slam-dunk; if unsuccessful, the entire contents of that 3.5 billion
>> barrel reserve will likely leak out into the gulf over a period of
>> decades.
>>
>> Drop something on it like I said, or nuke it, like the Russians have
>> said. Not too many options left...
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU
>
>I think dropping something heavy on it would only cause the oil to come
>out somewhere else.

I think you may be right. Dunno. An aircraft carrier is pretty big,
tho, so compressing the sea floor with that sort of weight for a good
distance from the hole might do the trick. Would like to suggest it
to the people that know the geology of that area, and see what they
think.

I do favor the nuclear explosion, tho, if they can make that work.
Starting the hole at that depth, and contending with those pressures,
you'd have to have a pressure-resisant vessel for the nuke itself,
and i don't know if they could seal up the hole behind the weapon like
they show above using concrete, or anything else. If they could, I
think it would be the best shot at stopping the thing.
>
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