Becoming a HGV driver (connor)
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From: Conor on 12 Dec 2006 06:40 In article <1hq79w3.1aoikxpbfuynhN%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH says... > Knight Of The Road <russiatrucking(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > I didn't tell you anything about how to drive a truck, just that most > > > drivers were under-educated, ignorant apes. > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect those truck drivers thought the same about the sad loser goods > > receiving clerk who wheeled the cages off of their trailers while earning a > > third of what they did, Steve... > > Most truck drivers couldn't cope with the intellectual challenges of > being the back door man in a large retail establishment. > Yet strangely people like you can't even get your head around Drivers Hours regs. -- Conor The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
From: Conor on 12 Dec 2006 06:55 In article <1hq79rz.lenogyeidyo5N%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH says... > Which brings us neatly around to another reason why store managers need > a line manager - to comply with employment legislation regarding > disciplinary and grievance action. > Why? I think you'll find they're quite capable. With all these things you claim store managers need a line manager for, it sounds a lot like you're trying to justify your job. You've yet to come up with something that a competent and experienced store manager couldn't do. -- Conor The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
From: Conor on 12 Dec 2006 06:57 In article <1hq7asq.1ydcuaz18cisgfN%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH says... > See, this is the thing. The role of Area Manager comprises lots of > different functions - performance management and financial analysis > being just two of those functions. Which the store manager can do. > They also provide an effective line > of communication between the board and stores Like I said: A function of middle management is so the real management doesn't have to talk to the staff. > - by collating and sorting > relevent information and deciding what should and shouldn't be an issue > the board needs to act on. They also perform the function of > implementing new ideas and initiatives. > Like I said: A function of middle management is to be a fall guy for when it all goes wrong. > It's very narrow minded to think of an area manager only existing > because store managers haven't been effectively trained to do their jobs > properly. > Not really. > > Agreed there has to be the right of appeal if someone is disciplined, but > > how often is the really needed. It can always be dealt with by an > > independent arbitrator. > > That wouldn't work, because you'd be going outside the scope of the > company at a very early stage of procedures. > Why? -- Conor The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
From: Conor on 12 Dec 2006 06:59 In article <1hq79n4.11h5oqb1da5t9mN%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH says... > > Isn't it funny how in retail they call everyone managers who in any > > other sector would be a foreman/chargehand. > > No, that's just in unskilled manual labour jobs. Oh, so a foreman at an engineering company such as Bridgeport Cincinnatti is an unskilled manual labourer and so are the engineers under him? Riiiight. So you confirm that 99.9% of managers in retail are actually no more than foremen? -- Conor The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
From: NM on 12 Dec 2006 09:21
SteveH wrote: > NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote: > > > > Entered into full time work via a graduate trainee scheme, became a > > > manager of a small turnover Iceland, moved on to Dixons as a manager to > > > expand my knowledge, was assistant manager at Safeway (I was to become a > > > regional non-foods specialist field manager until Morrisons stepped in > > > and cancelled the non-foods project) before being head-hunted back to > > > Iceland as a senior store manager / cluster group manager before trying > > > something in the non-food sector. I was then called by an agency who > > > knew my skills matched those of the company for which I work in a field > > > management / area manager role. > > > -- > > > > So you got a second rate degree from some unknown red brick university > > and have taken on a dead end boring repetitive career, are now feeling > > trapped and are envious of those whose jobs involve something different > > every day, some interest which yous is sorley lacking. > > You have boxed yourself into a corner that you can't easily emerge > > from, your recourse is to pour scorn on those you percieve have a > > better lifestyle than yourself. You pride yourself in your superiior > > mental capacity which on examination appears to be only slightly above > > average, certainly nothing to crow about. > > Yet again, NM, you're completely out of your depth here. > > Do you actually know *anything*? > > Swansea University is one of the top Universities in the UK - being a > college of the University of Wales. It is, and always has been a real > university, not one of the pale imitations being touted around as > universities these days. Used to be called a polytechnic, and your course was called day release, for apprentices and similar in job training, you went there part time whilst training at Iceland? am I wrong yet? > > You're spot on about lifestyle, though. I'm in my very early 30s, have a > decent job, a house that's about to be paid off, some nice toys on the > drive and in the garage and a rather lovely wife. My job is very > flexible, I love the products we sell, I like the people I work with, > I'm based at home and get out and about meeting interesting people every > day of the working week. Just as well we don't have the same asperations, your idea of decent house and toys are not anywhere near mine, I won't comment on the wife. Patently obviously you have no respect for the people you work with at least those lower in the pecking order, which probably makes you a brown noser as well, usually the two go together. Who are these interesting people you meet every day, store managers? > > Why would I possibly be envious of sweating 20 stone lard monkey couped > up in the cab of a truck all day? I don't know rhe answer to that as I don't know any 20 stone lard monkeys, sweating or not. > -- |