From: SteveH on
Conor <conor.turton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > See, this is the thing. The role of Area Manager comprises lots of
> > different functions - performance management and financial analysis
> > being just two of those functions.
>
> Which the store manager can do.

Please explain how a store manager can performance manage himself?

Do you actually know what performance management is?

> > They also provide an effective line
> > of communication between the board and stores
>
> Like I said: A function of middle management is so the real management
> doesn't have to talk to the staff.

Indeed - 'cos the chairman of a large retail operation has time to go
and see all his store managers individually and look round their stores.

> > - by collating and sorting
> > relevent information and deciding what should and shouldn't be an issue
> > the board needs to act on. They also perform the function of
> > implementing new ideas and initiatives.
> >
> Like I said: A function of middle management is to be a fall guy for
> when it all goes wrong.

See above.

Board members get fired more often than the field management team.

> > It's very narrow minded to think of an area manager only existing
> > because store managers haven't been effectively trained to do their jobs
> > properly.
> >
> Not really.

Isn't it?

Shows just how little you know about anything other than driving a
truck.

> > > Agreed there has to be the right of appeal if someone is disciplined, but
> > > how often is the really needed. It can always be dealt with by an
> > > independent arbitrator.
> >
> > That wouldn't work, because you'd be going outside the scope of the
> > company at a very early stage of procedures.
> >
> Why?

Where are the lines of appeal if it's gone to an external party at the
first stage?
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From: SteveH on
Conor <conor.turton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <1hq79rz.lenogyeidyo5N%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> says...
>
> > Which brings us neatly around to another reason why store managers need
> > a line manager - to comply with employment legislation regarding
> > disciplinary and grievance action.
> >
> Why? I think you'll find they're quite capable.
>
> With all these things you claim store managers need a line manager for,
> it sounds a lot like you're trying to justify your job. You've yet to
> come up with something that a competent and experienced store manager
> couldn't do.

If a store manager was that perfect they'd be doing my job.

Of course, some store managers are capable of carrying out my role,
however, they're in the minority.
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From: SteveH on
NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote:

> > Swansea University is one of the top Universities in the UK - being a
> > college of the University of Wales. It is, and always has been a real
> > university, not one of the pale imitations being touted around as
> > universities these days.
>
> Used to be called a polytechnic, and your course was called day
> release, for apprentices and similar in job training, you went there
> part time whilst training at Iceland? am I wrong yet?

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Wales,_Swansea

I'll ignore everything else from now on as you're obviously some kind of
fuckwit incapable of even doing a quick search to verify the accuracy of
your information.
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From: SteveH on
Conor <conor.turton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > I didn't tell you anything about how to drive a truck, just that most
> > drivers were under-educated, ignorant apes.
> >
> Guess you never spoke to them then.

The ones who were capable of stringing a sentence together without
assistance often had a cuppa and a chat with me.

They were in a minority, though.
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From: NM on

SteveH wrote:
> NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote:
>
> > > Swansea University is one of the top Universities in the UK - being a
> > > college of the University of Wales. It is, and always has been a real
> > > university, not one of the pale imitations being touted around as
> > > universities these days.
> >
> > Used to be called a polytechnic, and your course was called day
> > release, for apprentices and similar in job training, you went there
> > part time whilst training at Iceland? am I wrong yet?
>
> Here you go:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Wales,_Swansea
>
> I'll ignore everything else from now on as you're obviously some kind of
> fuckwit incapable of even doing a quick search to verify the accuracy of
> your information

Yes I was wrong I was mixing it up with an ex-poly a mate of mine from
Port Talbot went to years ago, however it's a pity you won't be able to
read this apology as you claim you will be ignoring anything else I
write.