Becoming a HGV driver (connor)
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From: Clive George on 12 Dec 2006 15:49 "NM" <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote in message news:1165955744.304034.203010(a)l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... >> And if you're not trying to prove anything, why did you post that potted >> CV? >> Looks like you do care, despite your claims to the contrary. >> > I don't see what you are getting at, Apparently not. Even though it's pretty obvious. > you have decided I'm as thick as pigshit, I've decided nothing - however you're not doing very well at presenting evidence disputing this. > there is little if anything I can do to change your mind even > if I was interested in wasting my time doing so. Your problem, not mine. clive
From: NM on 12 Dec 2006 16:31 Clive George wrote: > "NM" <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote in message > news:1165955744.304034.203010(a)l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > >> And if you're not trying to prove anything, why did you post that potted > >> CV? > >> Looks like you do care, despite your claims to the contrary. > >> > > I don't see what you are getting at, > > Apparently not. Even though it's pretty obvious. To me it isn't, are you indulging in a bit of interlectual masturbation by any chance. > > > you have decided I'm as thick as pigshit, > > I've decided nothing - however you're not doing very well at presenting > evidence disputing this. The evidence you asked for. > > > there is little if anything I can do to change your mind even > > if I was interested in wasting my time doing so. > > Your problem, not mine. Then why was it necessary to raise it ?
From: Conor on 12 Dec 2006 18:47 In article <1hq8s7q.19sbanf1qa807rN%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH says... > > Please explain how a store manager can performance manage himself? > By looking at the same figures you have. > Do you actually know what performance management is? > The clue is in the words. > > > They also provide an effective line > > > of communication between the board and stores > > > > Like I said: A function of middle management is so the real management > > doesn't have to talk to the staff. > > Indeed - 'cos the chairman of a large retail operation has time to go > and see all his store managers individually and look round their stores. > Sir Alan Sugar manages it. > > > It's very narrow minded to think of an area manager only existing > > > because store managers haven't been effectively trained to do their jobs > > > properly. > > > > > Not really. > > Isn't it? > > Shows just how little you know about anything other than driving a > truck. > Shows how much you're wriggling to try and convince us your position is justified. > Where are the lines of appeal if it's gone to an external party at the > first stage? > When has "very early stage" had to mean the first stage? -- Conor The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
From: Conor on 12 Dec 2006 18:48 In article <1hq8sbu.10i9tdm1cm0ksqN%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH says... > If a store manager was that perfect they'd be doing my job. > I doubt it. Your position is superflous and can be done away with. Their job actually achieves something. > Of course, some store managers are capable of carrying out my role, > however, they're in the minority. > Only because your level of management chooses to refuse to train them properly because you know that once they can do the job, you're out of one. -- Conor The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
From: SteveH on 12 Dec 2006 18:54
Conor <conor.turton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In article <1hq8sbu.10i9tdm1cm0ksqN%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH > says... > > > If a store manager was that perfect they'd be doing my job. > > > I doubt it. Your position is superflous and can be done away with. > Their job actually achieves something. Yes, of course. I'd like to see the results of an experiment where all field management roles were abolished. I'd give the company a couple of years, max. before it all fell apart. > > Of course, some store managers are capable of carrying out my role, > > however, they're in the minority. > > > Only because your level of management chooses to refuse to train them > properly because you know that once they can do the job, you're out of > one. Erm, I'm the one who trains managers to take on my role. Obviously, I have to vacate my role for them to move into my role, which is why I have a line manager training me to take on his role. A good manager is one who effectively trains people to the standard that makes them effectively redundant. -- SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # |