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From: Milton on 9 Apr 2010 20:53 "Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:slrnhrsfln.2qbe.zebeej(a)gmail.com... > In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:09:27 +1000 > atec7 7 <""> wrote: >> Noisy pipes can save lives >> did you notice todays in the news was some bloke who didn't see xing >> lights and got hit by a train ? >> I don't like loud bikes either but a louder train might have been >> heard and a louder bike might stop some retard in a 4door doing a right >> turn in front of a motorcycle > > Don't do much country riding? Trains have very loud horns and they > use them when coming to a crossing. > > And as for pipes... when the human ear inside a car can precisely > locate a fire engine or ambulance by the sound of the siren and the > owner of the ear is guaranteed to do the right thing, then I'll > believe that. > > As someone who has ridden the same bike in the same commute with and > without a loud pipe on it, the idea that it is some kind of secondary > safety is rubbish. > > And telling people it might help is just encouraging them to stop > using the safety device between their ears. No passive safety device > is worth anything at all. Only your brains and paying enough > attention will stop you getting splatted. > > Zebee Yep, absolutely correct.
From: Zebee Johnstone on 9 Apr 2010 22:13 In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:52:16 +1000 Milton <millame23(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > It has always been my policy not to use right indicators on a bike but a > hand signal instead for the reason, too many accidentally leave there right > indicator on and when approaching an intersection with an oncoming right > turning vehicle, of course they are assuming you are turning right as well > and progress around the corner in front of you. Problem with that is that there can be timing problems as to when you get your hand back on the throttle to get around the corner. You need to keep your hand out long enough to be clear to all, including the bod coming the other way who has been distracted, and yet brake and turn correctly. I use hand signals when I think clearances are tight as the motion attracts attention. So if there's someone close behind me, or someone coming the other way and I expect I won't need to stop but I think they need to know I'm turning (so they don't speed up to get the lights...) then I'll use the hand signal. I'll often use a signal - left or right - when turning isn't common, some roundabouts and some other choke points. I'll also not assume someone's turning till I see their front wheels start to turn. Zebee
From: OzOne on 9 Apr 2010 23:26 On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:22:12 +1000, "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote: > I've been knocked off bikes maybe half a dozen >times in the last 20 years or so (the last one being the worst and it ended >my bike riding days) and in each case it was the fault of a car driver who >wasn't watching what they were doing. Ahh sure, It's always the car drivers fault.....6 times in 20 years....You're a menace! OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
From: Milton on 10 Apr 2010 05:36 "Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:slrnhrvnkf.1nd.zebeej(a)gmail.com... > In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:52:16 +1000 > Milton <millame23(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> It has always been my policy not to use right indicators on a bike but a >> hand signal instead for the reason, too many accidentally leave there >> right >> indicator on and when approaching an intersection with an oncoming right >> turning vehicle, of course they are assuming you are turning right as >> well >> and progress around the corner in front of you. > > Problem with that is that there can be timing problems as to when you > get your hand back on the throttle to get around the corner. > > You need to keep your hand out long enough to be clear to all, > including the bod coming the other way who has been distracted, and > yet brake and turn correctly. Yes, it is difficult at times particularly if you have to stop. In that scenario I would use the indicator as well. > > I use hand signals when I think clearances are tight as the motion > attracts attention. So if there's someone close behind me, or > someone coming the other way and I expect I won't need to stop but I > think they need to know I'm turning (so they don't speed up to get the > lights...) then I'll use the hand signal. Absolutely. > > I'll often use a signal - left or right - when turning isn't common, > some roundabouts and some other choke points. > > I'll also not assume someone's turning till I see their front wheels > start to turn. Yep, agreed but my point was using a right turn indicator, one can sometimes accidenally leave it on for whatever reason and you don't notice it is still on. You come to a corner wanting to go straight but your indicator says you wish to turn right. The car coming the other way wants to turn right, sees your indicator blinking to the right, so he/she proceeds to turn in front of you thinking you are turning right also. This can happen with cars as well, not just bikes. How many times have you seen cars/busses/trucks on the highway with their right indicator still blinking after changing lanes or passing? > > Zebee
From: G-S on 10 Apr 2010 18:37
Jason James wrote: > I love > the sound of a loud Ford V8, and if I could get away with it, I run open > pipes on it (when I had it),..the difference is, people love the sound of a > V8 as opposed to a Harley twin POS. There are a LOT of people who love the sound of a Harley with loud pipes (ok there's a lot who love the sound of a V8 too) and there are a lot of people who think Harley twins aren't POS. Having said that I've always thought it was rather odd that the police would hassle a bike with loud pipes UNLESS it was a Harley who always seemed to be left alone. If they are applying the noise regs across the board now then I don't have a problem with that. G-S |