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From: atec7 7 ""atec77 " on 8 Apr 2010 00:32 http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2010/April/Pipedown.pdf
From: OzOne on 8 Apr 2010 01:27 On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:32:41 +1000, atec7 7 <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote: >http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2010/April/Pipedown.pdf Yeah sure...I can see that getting those obnoxiously noisy Harleys off the road..... OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
From: Noddy on 8 Apr 2010 07:22 " Scotty" <scoter1(a)warmmail.com> wrote in message news:4bbdba75$0$32441$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... > But Id say that less than 10% of bike riders do everything they can to > prevent them being cleaned > up. Depends on what you mean by "everything" I guess. I used to ride regularly, and would always have the light on and wear bright coloured clothing where practicalble, and I'd sometimes resort to wearing a tradie's flouro vest at times (unless it was raining). To me that stuff was a reasonable attempt at preserving my own skin, but there's alway more you can do. I mean, I probably could have had a battery operated stobe light on my helmet or a burning flare sticking out of my back pocket, but that could have easily made me as much of a target as it would make me something to be wary of. > My point exactly, how many riders ride where they can be safely seen. They > say to ride along the > drivers line of a car, Id rather see a rider smack bang behind me where I > can see him/her. Unless > the car in front is a truck or Sealed van (in which case the rider can > move behind someone else). In my experience too many riders ride in blind spots, and too many ride too close. > Safe riding would fix 90% and safe car drivers the other 10%. As much as some motorcyclists (and cyclists) do very little to help themselves, there's a *fuckload* of car drivers out there that are blissfully ignorant of bikes. I've been knocked off bikes maybe half a dozen times in the last 20 years or so (the last one being the worst and it ended my bike riding days) and in each case it was the fault of a car driver who wasn't watching what they were doing. -- Regards, Noddy.
From: Zebee Johnstone on 8 Apr 2010 16:39 In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:09:27 +1000 atec7 7 <""> wrote: > Noisy pipes can save lives > did you notice todays in the news was some bloke who didn't see xing > lights and got hit by a train ? > I don't like loud bikes either but a louder train might have been > heard and a louder bike might stop some retard in a 4door doing a right > turn in front of a motorcycle Don't do much country riding? Trains have very loud horns and they use them when coming to a crossing. And as for pipes... when the human ear inside a car can precisely locate a fire engine or ambulance by the sound of the siren and the owner of the ear is guaranteed to do the right thing, then I'll believe that. As someone who has ridden the same bike in the same commute with and without a loud pipe on it, the idea that it is some kind of secondary safety is rubbish. And telling people it might help is just encouraging them to stop using the safety device between their ears. No passive safety device is worth anything at all. Only your brains and paying enough attention will stop you getting splatted. Zebee
From: thefathippy on 8 Apr 2010 19:13
On Apr 9, 6:39 am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:09:27 +1000 > > atec7 7 <""> wrote: > > Noisy pipes can save lives > > did you notice todays in the news was some bloke who didn't see xing > > lights and got hit by a train ? > > I don't like loud bikes either but a louder train might have been > > heard and a louder bike might stop some retard in a 4door doing a right > > turn in front of a motorcycle > > Don't do much country riding? Trains have very loud horns and they > use them when coming to a crossing. > > And as for pipes... when the human ear inside a car can precisely > locate a fire engine or ambulance by the sound of the siren and the > owner of the ear is guaranteed to do the right thing, then I'll > believe that. > > As someone who has ridden the same bike in the same commute with and > without a loud pipe on it, the idea that it is some kind of secondary > safety is rubbish. > > And telling people it might help is just encouraging them to stop > using the safety device between their ears. No passive safety device > is worth anything at all. Only your brains and paying enough > attention will stop you getting splatted. > > Zebee Of course, my response is only based on anecdotal evidence, however, I have noticed that car drivers have seemed more aware of me when I'm on a loud bike than when I'm on a quiet bike (my current bikes have standard exhausts). I've always put it down to what I call the "bikie phenomenon". Bikies are horrible scary people, and might kill me if I upset them. Bikies have loud pipes. That bike has loud pipes. The rider might be a bikie. I'd better watch out for them, so they don't kill me. Another thing I've noticed is that drivers sit much closer to my tail when I'm riding physically smaller bikes - big tough bikies ride big tough bikes. Evidence? No. Scientific? No. Something I find interesting? Yes. All that aside, Zebee's last para is the one that counts. Tony F |