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From: Tom Crispin on 25 Jan 2010 01:46 On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:39:50 +0000, JMS <jmsmith2010(a)live.co.uk > wrote: >On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:21:56 +0000, Tom Crispin ><kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: > ><snip> > > >>The really good news is that the Blackwall Tunnel is to be tolled and >>this may provide the funds to build cyclists their much needed Thames >>Bridge. > > >What on earth makes you think that the money from the tolls will be >spent on such a thing? > >Is that some official policy - or just wishful thinking? With the first of London's network of cycling superhighways, based on the Copenhagen model, to open this year, Boris seems very keen to provide quality cycling facilities for cyclists. Funding a fully cycleable Thames Crossing downstream of Tower Bridge makes good sense. Using toll money from the Blackwall Tunnel is a fair redistribution after motorists acquired the Blackwall Tunnel from other road users. Personally I would prefer a second bore at the Greenwich Foot Tunnel, like the Tyne Foot Tunnel, the last photo in this slide show. www.britishschoolofcycling.com/tunnel/stairs However the essence of your question is correct. It is a wish.
From: Tom Crispin on 25 Jan 2010 02:11 On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:34:21 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: >Tom Crispin <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: > >> >> So tax avoidance would be to stop cycling, get fatter, and end up costing >> the NHS �����s? > >There's no connection between cycling and how much you stuff in your >pie-hole. And cycling is not the only form of exercise. But there is a very clear correlation between cycling and life expectancy; cycling and average income; cycling and days off sick. All positive for the economy.
From: Steve Firth on 25 Jan 2010 02:33 Tom Crispin <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:34:21 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) > wrote: > > >Tom Crispin <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: > > > >> > >> So tax avoidance would be to stop cycling, get fatter, and end up costing > >> the NHS �����s? > > > >There's no connection between cycling and how much you stuff in your > >pie-hole. And cycling is not the only form of exercise. > > But there is a very clear correlation between cycling and life > expectancy; cycling and average income; cycling and days off sick. All > positive for the economy. Do you really need me to teach you elementary statistics? Correlation is not causation. The existence of one correlation does not deny the existence of another. Average income is not a determinant of health. Days off sick is not an determinant of longevity, or of fitness. Strawmen do not make good foundatiuons.
From: Doug on 25 Jan 2010 02:48 On 25 Jan, 06:46, Tom Crispin <kije.rem...(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:39:50 +0000, JMS <jmsmith2...(a)live.co.uk > > wrote: > > >On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:21:56 +0000, Tom Crispin > ><kije.rem...(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: > > ><snip> > > >>The really good news is that the Blackwall Tunnel is to be tolled and > >>this may provide the funds to build cyclists their much needed Thames > >>Bridge. > > >What on earth makes you think that the money from the tolls will be > >spent on such a thing? > > >Is that some official policy - or just wishful thinking? > > With the first of London's network of cycling superhighways, based on > the Copenhagen model, to open this year, Boris seems very keen to > provide quality cycling facilities for cyclists. Funding a fully > cycleable Thames Crossing downstream of Tower Bridge makes good sense. > Using toll money from the Blackwall Tunnel is a fair redistribution > after motorists acquired the Blackwall Tunnel from other road users. > > Personally I would prefer a second bore at the Greenwich Foot Tunnel, > like the Tyne Foot Tunnel, the last photo in this slide show.www.britishschoolofcycling.com/tunnel/stairs > > However the essence of your question is correct. It is a wish. > No a second bore would still involve dismounting and lifts. Far better and fairer to have a cycle bridge as a companion to the 'drivers only' Blackwall Tunnel. Surely, if cyclists are expected to comply with the same rules of the road as drivers they should have the same privileges as drivers? -- Car Free Cities http://www.carfree.com/ Carfree Cities proposes a delightful solution to the vexing problem of urban automobiles.
From: mileburner on 25 Jan 2010 04:17
"The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:sQ57n.31258$Ym4.14143(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... > > Just the cycling scums opinion that they shouldn't ever have to pay for > anything. Again Medway shows he has no opinion of his own - only a false idea of what others think. <sigh> |