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From: Tom Crispin on 25 Jan 2010 13:30 On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:15:02 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote: >On 25 Jan, 07:11, Tom Crispin <kije.rem...(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> >wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:34:21 +0000, %ste...(a)malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) >> wrote: >> >> >Tom Crispin <kije.rem...(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: >> >> >> So tax avoidance would be to stop cycling, get fatter, and end up costing >> >> the NHS �����s? >> >> >There's no connection between cycling and how much you stuff in your >> >pie-hole. And cycling is not the only form of exercise. >> >> But there is a very clear correlation between cycling and life >> expectancy; cycling and average income; cycling and days off sick. All >> positive for the economy. > >Then why do the Dutch live no longer than other European nations? There could be any number of reasons. Does the average cycling Dutchman live a shorter or longer life than the average non-cycling Dutchman?
From: Tom Crispin on 25 Jan 2010 13:59 On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:48:15 -0800 (PST), Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote: >On 25 Jan, 06:46, Tom Crispin <kije.rem...(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> >wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:39:50 +0000, JMS <jmsmith2...(a)live.co.uk > >> wrote: >> >> >On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:21:56 +0000, Tom Crispin >> ><kije.rem...(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: >> >> ><snip> >> >> >>The really good news is that the Blackwall Tunnel is to be tolled and >> >>this may provide the funds to build cyclists their much needed Thames >> >>Bridge. >> >> >What on earth makes you think that the money from the tolls will be >> >spent on such a thing? >> >> >Is that some official policy - or just wishful thinking? >> >> With the first of London's network of cycling superhighways, based on >> the Copenhagen model, to open this year, Boris seems very keen to >> provide quality cycling facilities for cyclists. Funding a fully >> cycleable Thames Crossing downstream of Tower Bridge makes good sense. >> Using toll money from the Blackwall Tunnel is a fair redistribution >> after motorists acquired the Blackwall Tunnel from other road users. >> >> Personally I would prefer a second bore at the Greenwich Foot Tunnel, >> like the Tyne Foot Tunnel, the last photo in this slide show.www.britishschoolofcycling.com/tunnel/stairs >> >> However the essence of your question is correct. It is a wish. >> >No a second bore would still involve dismounting and lifts. Far better >and fairer to have a cycle bridge as a companion to the 'drivers only' >Blackwall Tunnel. Surely, if cyclists are expected to comply with the >same rules of the road as drivers they should have the same privileges >as drivers? We have been through this before. A bridge would have to rise or be able to be raised to at least 65m to allow the tallest ships that fit under the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge. A 1:20 ramp which would allow wheelchair access suggests a ramp length of 1.3Km each end. This is wholly unrealistic. The proposed Thames Bridge has a deck height of 15m, and even then the spiral ramps need to be around 300m long. The two towers are 80m tall. Cyclists will be delayed everytime the deck has to rise to allow larger river traffic to pass. I would prefer to dismount and catch a lift than either cycle over 2.5Km of ramp or be delayed everytime a yacht passes below.
From: mileburner on 25 Jan 2010 14:01 NM wrote: > On 25 Jan, 13:36, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> "�i�ardo" <h...(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Sge7n.31114$u23.16344(a)newsfe05.ams2... >> >> >> >>> Fine, as long as cyclists are prepared to pay for using the roads. >> >> Why? No one else does... > > You know full well they do, so many times explained. You must enjoy > looking like a cretin? No-one pays to use the roads. Registered keepers of motor vehicles pay VED to allow vehicles to be used on the roads but: No-one pays to use the roads. HTH (but it probably wont :-( )
From: Brimstone on 25 Jan 2010 14:06 "Tom Crispin" <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote in message news:9torl55uapgit7eo6umctf0e1i1dvmfdoo(a)4ax.com... > I would prefer to dismount and catch a lift than either cycle over > 2.5Km of ramp or be delayed everytime a yacht passes below. What about it it's (say) a frigate or a destroyer?
From: Tom Crispin on 25 Jan 2010 14:07
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:46:01 +0000, JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: >The older tunnel wasn't really built for traffic at 30mph. The bends are/were >necessary because of the geology of the ground and because of the places >where the terminations were needed. No. The bends are there to prevent horses bolting for the light, and because of the geography of the Greenwich Penninsular. It is ironic that riding a horse through the tunnel is prohibited. |