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From: Vic Smith on 14 Feb 2010 23:32 On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:27:07 -0500, "Steve W." <csr684(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote: > >You must live in an area that usually doesn't get snow/salt on the >roads. In this area if you buy a 5 year old vehicle and keep it 5 years, >you WILL be replacing wheel cylinders, calipers, and lines. Salt just >LOVES to eat them up. > >I'm to the point now that I just plan ahead and pre-bend new tubes when >the originals are in good shape. > >I'd pay extra for a vehicle equipped with quality stainless lines (fuel, >brake and emissions) One less headache... I'm just north of Chicago now, and they salt here. Last 13 years, before that in Chicago. As I said, I've replaced a few lines to back wheels due to rust, and the bleeders on the wheel cylinders will rust solid. Never affected caliper or cylinder operation though. Rust is hard to figure. My '88 Celebrity was rusted to hell after 10 years, while my '90 Corsica didn't start getting bad until last year. Might be the Celebrity got driven in more salt water, and it was parked on a street where it got splashed all the time. Had more snow the years I had the Celebrity too. Last year my '97 Lumina suddenly showed it's ready to hole on the rockers, and the right rear brake line went. Decided not to replace a flattened motor mount because of that. Too much work on that car when the car might have only a few years left. Have to remove a half-shaft to replace the mount. Put a new cylinder on when we did the rusted line because the kid twisted off the bleeder. He didn't want to use my method of cracking the line connection to bleed. That's worked for me before. Only 5 bucks or so for the cylinder, but I think he had to pull the shoes. I was keeping him company, but unless I'm doing it I forget. Was that you I was talking to about the rotors on the '97 Lumina? I expected them to be rusted on but they came right off. I've had it for 5 years, so maybe they were replaced before I did it, because they had grooved. I've hung those calipers a few times, and there's no rust to speak of up front on the car. I suspect the rear is always getting sprayed more when driving in salt water. Anyway, I agree rust is a PITA where they salt. Just hasn't affected my brakes except for rear lines and cylinder bleeders. Worst rust case I had was my '74 Dart. Had to dump it because the rear shock mounts rusted away. It was only 8 years old. Second worst was my '64 Bug. By '74 the front seats were dropping through the floorpan. I can live with the rust until it starts affecting safety or letting water in. --Vic
From: Steve W. on 15 Feb 2010 00:00 Nate Nagel wrote: > > if you have a keeper, why not remove your lines and send them to classic > or inline for a pattern before they're completely hosed? Obviously > you'd have to do this around a vacation or something, because they're > not going to get your shiny new stainless lines back to you the next day. > > just a thought... > > I dunno where you live but it sounds horrific. I grew up in western PA > and even there I really only remember two vehicles having to replace > hard lines, and both were fairly elderly. > > nate > Upstate NY. In a location where, if the weatherman says we MIGHT get a single flake of snow they send out the salt/sand trucks... -- Steve W.
From: fred on 15 Feb 2010 00:27 "Steve W." <csr684(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote in news:hlakde$ccq$1(a)speranza.aioe.org: > Nate Nagel wrote: >> >> if you have a keeper, why not remove your lines and send them to >> classic or inline for a pattern before they're completely hosed? >> Obviously you'd have to do this around a vacation or something, >> because they're not going to get your shiny new stainless lines back >> to you the next day. >> >> just a thought... >> >> I dunno where you live but it sounds horrific. I grew up in western >> PA and even there I really only remember two vehicles having to >> replace hard lines, and both were fairly elderly. >> >> nate >> > > Upstate NY. In a location where, if the weatherman says we MIGHT get a > single flake of snow they send out the salt/sand trucks... > This year I can believe it. Man have you been getting it. I'm just north of you in Ottawa and we have 2" on our lawns.
From: Nate Nagel on 15 Feb 2010 06:46 On 02/15/2010 12:27 AM, fred wrote: > "Steve W."<csr684(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote in > news:hlakde$ccq$1(a)speranza.aioe.org: > >> Nate Nagel wrote: >>> >>> if you have a keeper, why not remove your lines and send them to >>> classic or inline for a pattern before they're completely hosed? >>> Obviously you'd have to do this around a vacation or something, >>> because they're not going to get your shiny new stainless lines back >>> to you the next day. >>> >>> just a thought... >>> >>> I dunno where you live but it sounds horrific. I grew up in western >>> PA and even there I really only remember two vehicles having to >>> replace hard lines, and both were fairly elderly. >>> >>> nate >>> >> >> Upstate NY. In a location where, if the weatherman says we MIGHT get a >> single flake of snow they send out the salt/sand trucks... >> > This year I can believe it. Man have you been getting it. I'm just north of > you in Ottawa and we have 2" on our lawns. > > Hah. I live a few miles outside of DC, and my front hard is buried feet deep, as is half the street. We're supposed to get more today as well. I'm not sure if I'm calling in sick or not yet. (someone gave me a cold for V-day, and it's not really what I was hoping for.) nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: Clive on 15 Feb 2010 11:08
In message <hlaeuf$646$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, Steve W. <csr684(a)NOTyahoo.com> writes >You must live in an area that usually doesn't get snow/salt on the >roads. In this area if you buy a 5 year old vehicle and keep it 5 years, >you WILL be replacing wheel cylinders, calipers, and lines. Salt just >LOVES to eat them up. Agree, here in the UK where roads are gritted when the temperature falls below 3 degrees, an average cars life span is something like 9.6 years, it is then uneconomic to repair because of corrosion to the body caused by road salt. -- Clive |