From: steve robinson on
stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote:

> In message <i0ns56$j27$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>
> "Jerry" <mapson.scarts(a)btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
>
> >
> ><stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:345c1a3151.Steve(a)btinternet.com...
> >
> > <snip>
> > :
> > : The fact the insurance company won't pay for these extra panels
> > is
> > : irrelevant, the skilled sprayer would automatically paint these
> > : areas to obtain a perfect colour match.
> > :
> >
> > You really don't understand anything about the crash repair trade
> > Steve, you might know you paint but you know nothing about the
> > business model of these 'approved repairer' bodyshops - this
> > thread has nothing what so ever to do with the competence of the
> > paint sprayer and everything to do with getting the cars out and
> > hitting the monthly target, it's all about volume, not quality. I
> > *never* advise anyone to accept the insurance companies approved
> > repairer if at all possible...
>
>
> Things might have changed since I ran my car repair business,
> although I was not insurance approved it did not stop me from
> doing insurance work properly.

Thats because you will have priced accordingly and generally dealt
with the owner .

These insurance approved repairers are screwed down on price so they
will only do the minimal amount of work



>
> However if it's anything like my neighbours recent Merc paint job
> turned out then I don't understand how these people manage to stay
> in business.
>
> Stephen.

They stay in business because the insurance companies keep feeding
them work , infact several of the larger 'chain' body shops are owned
by insurance companies.


From: Jerry on

"steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote in
message news:xn0gw7b5tj3xj5002(a)news.eternal-september.org...

<snip>
:
: What the op and others need to realise is that the tradesman
may
: fully agree with the op in this case however the op is not
paying the
: bill the insurance company is and extra work has to be paid for

Exactly, and that is were "Betterment" comes in.
--
Regards, Jerry.


From: Jerry on

<stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:635d243151.Steve(a)btinternet.com...

[ re aproved insurance repairers ]
:
: This garage (nor any other) will not generate much work if they
: operate like this,

They don't need to 'generate work' it's handed to them by the
insurance Co, often via email or fax, nine times out of ten
*they* contact the vehicle owner after said owner makes the
claim. Often the car isn't even inspected by a lost adjuster
either, the whole process is done via emailed images of the
damage.
--
Regards, Jerry.


From: stephen.hull on
In message <4C2F8C93.45AD74C3(a)sizef3566262itter.com>
johannes <johs(a)sizef3566262itter.com> wrote:

>
>
>"BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com" wrote:
>>
>> Got a classic 1987 mini cooper in mint condition. Well, it was until
>> someone ran into the back of it in a car park when it was parked.
>>
>> Anyway, off it went to the bodyshop recommended by the insurer. Got it
>> back yesterday.
>>
>> Very poor paint job. Its now blatantly obvious that the back has been
>> resprayed but not the whole car.
>>
>> Spoke to my insurance company who said that they could not expect the
>> 3rd partys insurer to pay for a complete respray and that this was
>> sometimes the problem with older cars.
>>
>> Seems a bit unfair. So now I've got a car with not matching paintwork
>> due to an accident that blatantly wasnt my fault.
>>
>> Surely, this is not right. Shouldnt the 3rd party or their insurer be
>> liable to restore the car to its original condition regardless of
>> whether it requires a complete respray?
>
>Accident repair paint matching is always hit and miss. You can often
>clearly spot cars where panels has been repainted. Some better than
>others, but never an exact match. Various colours causes different
>problems. Red paint changes by long exposure to sun light. It isn't
>helped when manufacturers change the colour selection for each model
>year, even if nothing else has changed. Probably not much of a problem
>if the car is otherwise fine, but as the song goes "the first cut is
>the deepest...". A complete respray may pose its own problems, such
>as overspray or lack of finish. Again there are specialist people
>who know what they're doing, but the insurer's bodyshop probably isn't
>one of those...

Indeed Yes.

Stephen.


--
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk
Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes
"Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
From: stephen.hull on
In message <xn0gw7easnd3p4003(a)news.eternal-september.org>
"steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:

>stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote:
>
>> In message <i0ns56$j27$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>
>> "Jerry" <mapson.scarts(a)btinternet.INVALID> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> ><stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> > news:345c1a3151.Steve(a)btinternet.com...
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> > :
>> > : The fact the insurance company won't pay for these extra panels
>> > is
>> > : irrelevant, the skilled sprayer would automatically paint these
>> > : areas to obtain a perfect colour match.
>> > :
>> >
>> > You really don't understand anything about the crash repair trade
>> > Steve, you might know you paint but you know nothing about the
>> > business model of these 'approved repairer' bodyshops - this
>> > thread has nothing what so ever to do with the competence of the
>> > paint sprayer and everything to do with getting the cars out and
>> > hitting the monthly target, it's all about volume, not quality. I
>> > *never* advise anyone to accept the insurance companies approved
>> > repairer if at all possible...
>>
>>
>> Things might have changed since I ran my car repair business,
>> although I was not insurance approved it did not stop me from
>> doing insurance work properly.
>
>Thats because you will have priced accordingly and generally dealt
>with the owner .

Yes

>These insurance approved repairers are screwed down on price so they
>will only do the minimal amount of work
>

There lies the problem.

>
>>
>> However if it's anything like my neighbours recent Merc paint job
>> turned out then I don't understand how these people manage to stay
>> in business.
>>
>> Stephen.
>
>They stay in business because the insurance companies keep feeding
>them work , infact several of the larger 'chain' body shops are owned
>by insurance companies.
>
So far, things might change though.

Stephen.


--
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk
Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes
"Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce