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From: stephen.hull on 3 Jul 2010 17:24 In message <i0o5pr$lmu$2(a)news.eternal-september.org> "Jerry" <mapson.scarts(a)btinternet.INVALID> wrote: > ><stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >news:635d243151.Steve(a)btinternet.com... > >[ re aproved insurance repairers ] >: >: This garage (nor any other) will not generate much work if they >: operate like this, > >They don't need to 'generate work' it's handed to them by the >insurance Co, often via email or fax, nine times out of ten >*they* contact the vehicle owner after said owner makes the >claim. Often the car isn't even inspected by a lost adjuster >either, the whole process is done via emailed images of the >damage. A local insurance appproved paint outlet near me lost their insurance approval because of poor work, so it probably won't last forever. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
From: stephen.hull on 3 Jul 2010 17:28 In message <xn0gw7bk1joiwr005(a)news.eternal-september.org> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: >stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote: > >> In message <xn0gw6y0l18hpf002(a)news.eternal-september.org> >> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com wrote: >> > >> >> On Jul 2, 6:26�pm, stephen.h...(a)btinternet.com wrote: >> >> > In message <0q4s26pb5li957icof0csd430vvk62a...(a)4ax.com> >> >> > � � � � � Cynic <cynic_...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > I have matched an old 1926 Rolls Royce standard paint finish >> and >> > intend this month to match a 1980's coach paint finish >> that has >> > faded considerably, I don't want to paint the whole >> vehicle just >> > for one small repair area but I will be able to >> match the colour, >> > finish, texture and obtain a similar shine, >> it just takes a little >> > time but can be done. >> >> > >> >> > Stephen. >> >> > >> >> > --http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk >> >> > Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes >> >> > "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry >> Royce >> > > >> >> So polishing / tcutting whatever might sort it out? >> > >> > you also have the problem that the matched paint will fade too in >> > a few years leaving your car looking two tone again >> >> Sorry but it won't, we are talking about a modern twin-pack paint >> finish that does not fade in the same way as a conventional >> single component paint finish does, the lacquer protects the paint >> from fading, you might get slight age fading but it would not be >> noticeable. >> >> However early metallic cellulose systems did fade but this colour >> formulation is a factory standard ARG twin-pack. >> >> Stephen. > >All paint ages and fades , take a look at a 3 year old sign written >van when the graphics are removed you can clearly identify the >markings Yes but not is such a way the sprayer can't match with two component paints. The colour red is particularly bad for fading but this is a silver metallic finish that will not significantly fade to make a difficult match. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
From: stephen.hull on 3 Jul 2010 17:32 In message <4c2f808f$0$12171$fa0fcedb(a)news.zen.co.uk> David Billington <djb(a)djbillington.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >steve robinson wrote: >> stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote: >> >> >>> In message <xn0gw6y0l18hpf002(a)news.eternal-september.org> >>> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 2, 6:26 pm, stephen.h...(a)btinternet.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In message <0q4s26pb5li957icof0csd430vvk62a...(a)4ax.com> >>>>>> Cynic <cynic_...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have matched an old 1926 Rolls Royce standard paint finish >>>>>> >>> and >> > intend this month to match a 1980's coach paint finish >>> that has >> > faded considerably, I don't want to paint the whole >>> vehicle just >> > for one small repair area but I will be able to >>> match the colour, >> > finish, texture and obtain a similar shine, >>> it just takes a little >> > time but can be done. >>> >>>>>> Stephen. >>>>>> >>>>>> --http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk >>>>>> Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes >>>>>> "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry >>>>>> >>> Royce >>> >>>>> So polishing / tcutting whatever might sort it out? >>>>> >>>> you also have the problem that the matched paint will fade too in >>>> a few years leaving your car looking two tone again >>>> >>> Sorry but it won't, we are talking about a modern twin-pack paint >>> finish that does not fade in the same way as a conventional >>> single component paint finish does, the lacquer protects the paint >>> from fading, you might get slight age fading but it would not be >>> noticeable. >>> >>> However early metallic cellulose systems did fade but this colour >>> formulation is a factory standard ARG twin-pack. >>> >>> Stephen. >>> >> >> All paint ages and fades , take a look at a 3 year old sign written >> van when the graphics are removed you can clearly identify the >> markings >How much of that is traffic film?. I noticed that the paint I sprayed my >frogeye in darkened over time, it was Lancia Corsica Red cellulose back >in about 1985. Polishing a spot showed that the polished area was >noticeably less dark than the weathered paint, is that normal or just >general road filth build up. I also depends on the quality of the paint, cheaper varieties don't last as long as expensive ones. Car manufacturing plants always use top quality paint and if it is a silver base metallic it lasts for years. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
From: stephen.hull on 3 Jul 2010 17:21 In message <xn0gw7e5xn649l002(a)news.eternal-september.org> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: >stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote: > >> In message <xn0gw7b5tj3xj5002(a)news.eternal-september.org> >> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote: >> > >> >> In message >> >> >> <afcdb541-9e2f-4367-a63e-f0a684916720(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> >> >> "BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com" <bertiebigbollox(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> The fact the insurance company won't pay for these extra panels >> is >> irrelevant, the skilled sprayer would automatically paint >> these >> areas to obtain a perfect colour match. >> > > >> >> Stephen. >> > >> > Of course its relevant , the garage is completing works as per the >> > client instructions i.e the insurance company . >> > >> > As long as the work undertaken is satisfactory and the colour >> > meets the original specification the op has little come back on >> > the garage . >> >> But the work done has not been done to original specification has >> is, otherwise the colour would match. > > >No it wouldnt if the original paint had faded over 26 years Yes but not with this type of paint, it would not significantly alter in twenty years to make colour matching problematic. >> > >> > We have the same problems with insurance companies in my industry >> > , if we have to repair and repaint a doorframe it means just that >> > it doesnt mean paint the skirting and architraves , same with >> > counter top repairs and wall repairs . >> > >> > We to get clients going postal because we havent painted the whole >> > wall or replaced all the timberwork >> > >> > What the op and others need to realise is that the tradesman may >> > fully agree with the op in this case however the op is not paying >> > the bill the insurance company is and extra work has to be paid >> > for >> >> There are many spray shops not insurance approved who would be >> more than happy to carry out the repair, and properly. > >Correct , however they would then be following the ops instructions >not the insurance companies , its also likely the op might have to >pay a betterment value too Yes but it still doesn't prove if the sprayer could actually match the paint anyway it he's incompetent. >> >> You don't have to take it to an approved repair shop, you can >> stipulate any body shop especially if you know their reputation. >> >> This garage (nor any other) will not generate much work if they >> operate like this, At the end of the day it is down to customer >> satisfaction and the customer is not satisfied simply because the >> work carried has led to a poor paint match. >> >> Stephen. > >They wont care as long as the insurance company is happy after all >its the insurance company that pay the bill Unfortunately for the op that seems to be the case these days. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
From: stephen.hull on 3 Jul 2010 17:17
In message <xn0gw7bg3jiv7u004(a)news.eternal-september.org> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: >stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote: > >> In message <xn0gw704844rtf002(a)news.eternal-september.org> >> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > Rob wrote: >> > >> >> On 03/07/2010 10:08, steve robinson wrote: >> >> > BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > If you want an exact match you need to take the vehicle to a >> > specialist restorer and be prepared to pay large sums . >> > >> No that is not necessary, the vehicle does not have a 1920's paint >> job it is a 1987 paint job which is still classed as a modern day >> paint finish and easy to match irrespective of whether it was >> sprayed in acrylic, cellulose or twin-pack. > >I wouldnt class that as a modern paint finish The only difference now is water based paint has been introduced along with low VOC but the mixing furmulae still remains the same as does the twin-pack paint. You can still paint a modern car in the same paint type today as you could 30 years ago, yes we have alternatives but the same paint in use today is still classed as modern. >> >> On hindsight, the OP probably wishes he'd asked if the resprayed >> >> area would match existing. A question that shouldn't need asking >> >> IMO. >> > > >> >> I'd agree that it appears this garage is not a charity. It also >> >> appears not competent. it was asked to do a job. It either >> couldn't >> or wouldn't. I'd take legal action or drop it, and put >> it down to a >> bad experience. >> > > >> > >> > The garage has matched the paint to the original vehicle paint >> > code thats all the insurance companies will pay for , they wont >> > pay for bespoke matching services . >> > >> > Another problem is paints now are acrylic , its possible the op >> > car was cellulose , its near impossible to get accurate matching >> > in these circumstances >> >> The vehicle paint code for this particular colour Gunmetal silver >> relates to a twin-pack system and because it is classed as a >> modern metallic colour it would be very easy to obtain the correct >> match because there is only ONE paint shade for that colour, no >> variants to make things more complicated, the paint mixing >> formulae and paints are still available. > >But the correct match will be fresh paint as apposed to well faded 26 >year old paint > >Any attempt to fade that paint artifically will cause colour issues >further down the line , the garage cant win Not with a metallic twin-pack it won't, cellulose will yes. What I'm trying to ascertain here is that the garage could use many methods to match the paint better simply from the gun, but he has just sprayed the panels without caring if it matched or not. > Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce |