From: Ian Dalziel on
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:51:06 +0000, johannes
<johs(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote:

>
>
>Mr X wrote:
>>
>> "johannes" <johs(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote in message
>> news:4B35313B.5C9447E3(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > Ian Dalziel wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:25:09 +0000, johannes
>> >> <johs(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Mr X wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >[...]
>> >> >> No I've never been a professional driver and nor do I want to be.
>> >> >> I love driving, thanks to all the gadgets in my car.
>> >> >> Sat Nav is great and I'm sure that in the future there will be a way
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> connecting it so the car drives itself to the destination with the
>> >> >> driver
>> >> >> only having to intervene now and again, rather like a autopilot on a
>> >> >> plane.
>> >> >> As you dislike modernity so much why do you own a car when you have
>> >> >> two good
>> >> >> legs?
>> >> >
>> >> >I prefer to 'understand' the route rather than being passively directed
>> >> >to
>> >> >the destination. E.g. when I am a passenger, then I easily looses the
>> >> >route
>> >> >because I don't have to know. But afterwards I feel frustrated by not
>> >> >knowing
>> >> >the exact route.
>> >>
>> >> How would a satnav prevent you from understanding the route?
>> >
>> > It doesn't, but you don't have to. As I said it's the difference between
>> > being a
>> > passenger and a driver. Do London Taxi drivers use satnav?
>> I've certainly seem them doing so. Many of them do not know some of the
>> more minor roads in outer London in any case.
>
>OK, so it's a 'maybe'. At the moment I don't feel that I need a satnav.

I'm sure you don't. I don't either, but I find it useful. What I was
disagreeing with was the pompous assertion that possession of a satnav
has converted me into some variety of brassica incapable of navigating
by any other means.


--

Ian D
From: Denis McMahon on
Conor wrote:
> In article <5kl9j5t3vjepvf86qfqji7qkqmrtu8s8p9(a)4ax.com>, James
> Martin(a)hgvu.com says...
>
>> Considerably not due to my vast knowledge of the UK having done
>> nothing else but travel in the course of my employment for many years.
>
> I've done likewise but I don't claim to know where everywhere is by a
> long shot. Sure, I don't need to use a map to get to a town but once I'm
> there, I tend to find it easier finding places with one.

Yep, before satnav I used to drive to a city, stop at the first petrol
station and buy a map.

Navigating between cities is pretty easy if you have a basic knowledge
of the geography of the country and the road network.

Where I used to find a satnav useful was in the last 2 miles from
leaving the trunk road network to reaching the destination.

I wasn't worrying about bridges though, I think the highest vehicle I've
ever driven was, at most, about 10 feet high.

Rgds

Denis McMahon
From: johannes on


Conor wrote:
>
> In article <4B3545F7.C648F5CF(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com>, johannes
> says...
>
> > As indicated, I don't need to stop every few hundred yards. And I don't read
> > the instructions as I am driving.
>
> So how do you navigate through built up areas you don't know?

I find it easy enough. Looking for features and landmarks learned from maps
and google earth. E.g. two roundabouts then a school, a railway bridge etc.
From: johannes on


Ian Dalziel wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:51:06 +0000, johannes
> <johs(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Mr X wrote:
> >>
> >> "johannes" <johs(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4B35313B.5C9447E3(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ian Dalziel wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:25:09 +0000, johannes
> >> >> <johs(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mr X wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >[...]
> >> >> >> No I've never been a professional driver and nor do I want to be.
> >> >> >> I love driving, thanks to all the gadgets in my car.
> >> >> >> Sat Nav is great and I'm sure that in the future there will be a way
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> connecting it so the car drives itself to the destination with the
> >> >> >> driver
> >> >> >> only having to intervene now and again, rather like a autopilot on a
> >> >> >> plane.
> >> >> >> As you dislike modernity so much why do you own a car when you have
> >> >> >> two good
> >> >> >> legs?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I prefer to 'understand' the route rather than being passively directed
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >the destination. E.g. when I am a passenger, then I easily looses the
> >> >> >route
> >> >> >because I don't have to know. But afterwards I feel frustrated by not
> >> >> >knowing
> >> >> >the exact route.
> >> >>
> >> >> How would a satnav prevent you from understanding the route?
> >> >
> >> > It doesn't, but you don't have to. As I said it's the difference between
> >> > being a
> >> > passenger and a driver. Do London Taxi drivers use satnav?
> >> I've certainly seem them doing so. Many of them do not know some of the
> >> more minor roads in outer London in any case.
> >
> >OK, so it's a 'maybe'. At the moment I don't feel that I need a satnav.
>
> I'm sure you don't. I don't either, but I find it useful. What I was
> disagreeing with was the pompous assertion that possession of a satnav
> has converted me into some variety of brassica incapable of navigating
> by any other means.

Maybe that was another poster than me. What I was disagreeing with was the
pompous assertion that I was technologically backward and old fashioned.
From: Roland Perry on
In message <MPG.259f3e175029fefd989aa9(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at
21:25:20 on Fri, 25 Dec 2009, Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> remarked:
>It is also far safer navigating by one than driving
>down the road trying to follow the route you'd planned over several
>pages with the A to Z you're holding in one hand at the same time as
>steering with the other whilst trying to read street names as well as
>see where you're going.

A satnav is also far safer than driving with a paper bag over your head.
I hope you never did that either.
--
Roland Perry
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