From: Cynic on
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:25:09 +0000, johannes
<johs(a)> wrote:

>> No I've never been a professional driver and nor do I want to be.
>> I love driving, thanks to all the gadgets in my car.
>> Sat Nav is great and I'm sure that in the future there will be a way of
>> connecting it so the car drives itself to the destination with the driver
>> only having to intervene now and again, rather like a autopilot on a plane.
>> As you dislike modernity so much why do you own a car when you have two good
>> legs?

>I prefer to 'understand' the route rather than being passively directed to
>the destination.

Why? If it's a destination that you will not be visiting again, what
does it matter so long as you get there and back without a hitch?


From: Cynic on
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:36:48 GMT, James Martin(a) wrote:

>>So you know where every single street is in every single town you ever
>>go to? And what if you have to divert because of an incident?

>No but I have a tongue in my head and I have never been to lazy to get
>out of the cab or car and ask someone .

So you prefer to take extra time to stop and ask, and then follow the
instructions of a complete stranger who may or may not be able to
supply accurate directions than a gadget that is programmed with a
database that will in most cases be far more accurate. Doesn't seen
sensible to me.

In addition, there are few people to ask if you arrive somewhere at 4
AM. If you get lost at that time (perhaps because the last person you
asked gave you incorrect directions), you have to drive around
searching for an all-night garage, which may be miles away - and there
is no guarantee that they will know where the place you are looking
for is.


From: Cynic on
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:42:57 +0000, johannes
<johs(a)> wrote:

>Do you have nice systems such as Google Maps and Google Earth? These can be
>viewed in advance of a difficult journey. Memorise or print out as required.

>Looking at a 4" screen while driving can't be any good. In fact it should be
>outlawed, just like mobile phones.

You have evidently not used one. You use the screen in about the same
way as you use your speedometer and fuel guage. Or maybe you feel
that those things are dangerous as well, and a "professional driver"
has no need of them?


From: mechanic on
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:59:01 GMT, James wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:08:39 +0000, johannes
> <johs(a)> wrote:


>> As indicated, I don't need to stop every few hundred yards. And I
>> don't read the instructions as I am driving.
> Give up Johannes you will never win with these gadget freaks even if
> their satnav's where taking them 200 miles from where they wanted to
> go they would still be proclaiming they where bloody marvelous.

These map-reader/memorise the route nutters might like to consider
the following: driving up the A1 a week or so ago late at night
there were road closures for maintenance/ resurfacing and traffic
was diverted off the A1 onto the lanes of North Yorkshire with no
diversion signs or other indications of ways round the obstruction.
If one had no local geographic knowledge of the local towns and
their relative positions, and no maps in the car, what then?


From: Cynic on
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:50:01 -0000, Conor <conor(a)> wrote:

>> You appear to believe that it is possible to select perfect drivers
>> who will never make mistakes rather than accepting that mistakes are
>> inevitable and attempting to reduce the consequences of such mistakes.

>Hitting a low bridge isn't a "mistake" but sheer incompetency.

Semantics. You could say the same about a person who sugars his tea

It is possible for a driver who is usually competant to make an
incompetant mistake. The more experience you have, the less likely it
is. Unfortunately it is not possible to demand that everyone who
drives on the roads has thousands of hours of experience driving in
diverse situations in the particular vehicle.


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