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From: NM on 26 Dec 2009 09:29 On 26 Dec, 10:59, James Mar...(a)hgvu.com wrote: > On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:08:39 +0000, johannes > > > > <j...(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote: > > >Conor wrote: > > >> In article <4B352FD2.8E5A4...(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com>, johannes > >> says... > > >> > Conor wrote: > > >> > > In article <4B34E4D8.EDA4...(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com>, johannes > >> > > says... > > >> > > > So far my system has worked well. Google maps gives the logical route and > >> > > > Google Earth provides the particular landmarks to look out for. > > >> > > So when you're driving through say London from one side to the other, do > >> > > you stop after every turn and then every few hundred yards or do you > >> > > read the instructions as you're driving? > > >> > If driving London from one side to the other, I would probably use M25 for > >> > a large part, or major trunk roads planned in advance from home. Detailed > >> > directions isn't really necessary until you get closer to your destination. > >> > Only then I begin to look out for landmarks and possibly stop to consult > >> > the printouts. > > >> Would you now like to answer the question? > > >As indicated, I don't need to stop every few hundred yards. And I don't read > >the instructions as I am driving. > > Give up Johannes you will never win with these gadget freaks even if > their satnav's where taking them 200 miles from where they wanted to > go they would still be proclaiming they where bloody marvelous. Small example the other day in the snow and ice, the usual diesel place was not available the road was shut, OK go to the next one which I happened to know, closed pumps out of order electrical problem, call office, as I'm by now running on the smell of an oily rag, he calls back with an address, blahblah farm and the postcode, the sat nav took me to it in the middle the night and guess what they didn't have any diesel either but the point is regardless of how many maps they had I would defy anyone to find that farm in the middle of the night without assistance and you can guess just how many people were around in deepest rural Devon in the middle of the night. The sat nav then took me back on to the main road via all the narrow lanes where I resolved the problem. Without it I would have has no alternative than to park up until the next day thus it saved a day's downtime paying for it's self in one go.
From: NM on 26 Dec 2009 09:33 On 26 Dec, 11:09, James Mar...(a)hgvu.com wrote: > On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:11:49 +0000, Roland Perry <rol...(a)perry.co.uk> > wrote: > > > > >In message <4B35CD53.30C4C...(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com>, at > >08:46:11 on Sat, 26 Dec 2009, johannes > ><j...(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> remarked: > >>> So how do you navigate through built up areas you don't know? > > >>I find it easy enough. Looking for features and landmarks learned from maps > >>and google earth. E.g. two roundabouts then a school, a railway bridge etc. > > >That's fine as long as you don't end up a hundred yards the wrong side > >of a set of "buses only" bollards, or similar feature. > > >In a recent discussion of Cambridge, it transpired that to get to the > >other side of one similar "obstruction" required a two mile diversion > >using exactly the correct roads at every junction. Although maybe a > >satnav wouldn't necessarily be up to date with all the "no left turn > >except..." and other anti-ratrun devices either (many of which the > >Google Streetcar seems to ignore!) > > I wonder how many satnav's had their owners running round in circles > when the bridges went down Cockermouth and Workington the other > week and are still sending their owners on wild goose chases ! . Hardly a reasonable comment, these were exceptional circumstances but supposing the people had a map instead, it would be just as incorrect, the sat nav owner can download an update, how do you update a map without buying a new one (Admiralty charts excepted).
From: NM on 26 Dec 2009 09:34 On 26 Dec, 11:13, mechanic <mecha...(a)example.net> wrote: > On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:59:01 GMT, James wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:08:39 +0000, johannes > > <j...(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote: > >... > >> As indicated, I don't need to stop every few hundred yards. And I > >> don't read the instructions as I am driving. > > Give up Johannes you will never win with these gadget freaks even if > > their satnav's where taking them 200 miles from where they wanted to > > go they would still be proclaiming they where bloody marvelous. > > These map-reader/memorise the route nutters might like to consider > the following: driving up the A1 a week or so ago late at night > there were road closures for maintenance/ resurfacing and traffic > was diverted off the A1 onto the lanes of North Yorkshire with no > diversion signs or other indications of ways round the obstruction. > If one had no local geographic knowledge of the local towns and > their relative positions, and no maps in the car, what then? > > Nightmare! > > -- > mechanic France is the world beater for divertions, loads of signs saying 'Deviation' once you are off the road you are on your own.
From: NM on 26 Dec 2009 09:38 On 26 Dec, 11:21, Cynic <cynic_...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:50:01 -0000, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: > >> You appear to believe that it is possible to select perfect drivers > >> who will never make mistakes rather than accepting that mistakes are > >> inevitable and attempting to reduce the consequences of such mistakes. > >Hitting a low bridge isn't a "mistake" but sheer incompetency. > > Semantics. You could say the same about a person who sugars his tea > twice. > > It is possible for a driver who is usually competant to make an > incompetant mistake. The more experience you have, the less likely it > is. Unfortunately it is not possible to demand that everyone who > drives on the roads has thousands of hours of experience driving in > diverse situations in the particular vehicle. > > -- > Cynic There for the grace of God, I have driven under bridges and just at the point of collision suddenly realised I've a diffeernt trailer on, involuntary shrunk my neck down into my head expecting an impact and got away with it.
From: johnwright ""john" on 26 Dec 2009 11:06
Conor wrote: > In article <b3sbj59mngokd2micj64mu4ou3dn5k941n(a)4ax.com>, Cynic says... >> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:50:01 -0000, Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>> You appear to believe that it is possible to select perfect drivers >>>> who will never make mistakes rather than accepting that mistakes are >>>> inevitable and attempting to reduce the consequences of such mistakes. >> >>> Hitting a low bridge isn't a "mistake" but sheer incompetency. >> Semantics. You could say the same about a person who sugars his tea >> twice. >> >> It is possible for a driver who is usually competant to make an >> incompetant mistake. The more experience you have, the less likely it >> is. Unfortunately it is not possible to demand that everyone who >> drives on the roads has thousands of hours of experience driving in >> diverse situations in the particular vehicle. > > Hitting a low bridge is not a mistake. You have to deliberately ignore > the signs. Its also about knowing the vehicle you're driving. -- I'm not apathetic... I just don't give a sh** anymore ?John Wright |