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From: johnwright ""john" on 27 Dec 2009 06:56 Cynic wrote: > On 22 Dec 2009 14:20:49 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> You mean like the height signs which are a legal requirement? > >>> No, he said *extra* warning. > >>> There is no way that I would want you or Adrian to design any >>> safty-critical system. You both assume that everything will work >>> exactly as it should, including the human operator, and so there is no >>> need to provide any backup system. > >> What's next? A bus driver hits a pedestrian, so you require every >> pedestrian to carry a big flashing sign saying "I'm a pedestrian" - after >> all, the poor bus driver can't possibly be expected to look where they're >> going, can they? They're only human, after all. > > I would only want to see practical ideas implemented that have an > acceptable cost/reward ratio. Obviously that would have to be worked > out by people who are sufficiently intelligent to be able to tell the > difference. > > I suppose you would no doubt be quite happy to walk on the left hand > side of the road on a moonless foggy night wearing black clothes > because you don't see any advantage in facing the traffic wearing > something bright and reflective. After all, your family can always > see to it that the driver of the vehicle that hits you is suitably > punished, so what's the point in making a collision less likely? If you don't mind me saying so that's a sort of Duhgist proposal :-) -- I'm not apathetic... I just don't give a sh** anymore ?John Wright
From: NM on 27 Dec 2009 06:56 On 27 Dec, 11:53, johnwright <""john\"@no spam here.com"> wrote: > Conor wrote: > > In article <7pmr6bF7p...(a)mid.individual.net>, johnwright says... > > >> A very good idea. You may find that many bridge strikes by buses are > >> done by drivers of single deck buses asked to drive double deckers. > > > And? Still doesn't alter the fact they took no notice of the sign for > > the bridge nor the clearly displayed height of their vehicle. > > Indeed, or are you about to claim that bus drivers like truck drivers > are perfect? > -- > > I'm not apathetic... I just don't give a sh** anymore > > ?John Wright Not as perfect as cyclists
From: johnwright ""john" on 27 Dec 2009 06:57 NM wrote: > On 27 Dec, 11:53, johnwright <""john\"@no spam here.com"> wrote: >> Conor wrote: >>> In article <7pmr6bF7p...(a)mid.individual.net>, johnwright says... >>>> A very good idea. You may find that many bridge strikes by buses are >>>> done by drivers of single deck buses asked to drive double deckers. >>> And? Still doesn't alter the fact they took no notice of the sign for >>> the bridge nor the clearly displayed height of their vehicle. >> Indeed, or are you about to claim that bus drivers like truck drivers >> are perfect? >> -- >> >> I'm not apathetic... I just don't give a sh** anymore >> >> ?John Wright > > Not as perfect as cyclists Indeed, I'm sure that if someone surveyed cylcists they would come to the conclusion that 100% of them claimed to be above average :-) -- I'm not apathetic... I just don't give a sh** anymore ?John Wright
From: Ophelia on 27 Dec 2009 07:58 "Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote in message news:1geej5tg2ajdk8eem9alja3if2t206icjo(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:46:19 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> > wrote: > >>On 26 Dec, 20:23, wensleyd...(a)pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams) >>wrote: >>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 06:33:13 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >> I wonder how many satnav's had their owners running round in circles >>> >> when the bridges went down Cockermouth and Workington the other >>> >> week and are still sending their owners on wild goose chases ! . >>> >>> >Hardly a reasonable comment, these were exceptional circumstances but >>> >supposing the people had a map instead, it would be just as incorrect, >>> >the sat nav owner can download an update, how do you update a map >>> >without buying a new one (Admiralty charts excepted). >>> >>> And when they see that the bridge is out, they will be able to >>> re-route with a few button presses. That's one reason why I still use >>> a sat-nav even on a known route (though with the sound turned off) - >>> it's a major benefit when things go wrong. >>> > >> >>I always run mine, even on a often travelled route, because it gives >>an accurate ETA, very useful if you are doing timed deliveries. > > Does it give you a sensible ETA for deliveries? My Garmin seems to > assume I will be travelling at the speed limit everywhere, so the ETA > works on trunk routes but is hopelessly optimistic on country roads or > in cities. Well the ETA on mine is not fixed so I am not sure what you mean. If I am on clear motorway, I gain time. In traffic I lose it.
From: Ian Dalziel on 27 Dec 2009 08:05
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:58:15 -0000, "Ophelia" <Ophelia(a)Elsinore.me.uk> wrote: > > >"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote in message >news:1geej5tg2ajdk8eem9alja3if2t206icjo(a)4ax.com... >> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:46:19 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> >> wrote: >> >>>On 26 Dec, 20:23, wensleyd...(a)pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams) >>>wrote: >>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 06:33:13 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> I wonder how many satnav's had their owners running round in circles >>>> >> when the bridges went down Cockermouth and Workington the other >>>> >> week and are still sending their owners on wild goose chases ! . >>>> >>>> >Hardly a reasonable comment, these were exceptional circumstances but >>>> >supposing the people had a map instead, it would be just as incorrect, >>>> >the sat nav owner can download an update, how do you update a map >>>> >without buying a new one (Admiralty charts excepted). >>>> >>>> And when they see that the bridge is out, they will be able to >>>> re-route with a few button presses. That's one reason why I still use >>>> a sat-nav even on a known route (though with the sound turned off) - >>>> it's a major benefit when things go wrong. >>>> >> >>> >>>I always run mine, even on a often travelled route, because it gives >>>an accurate ETA, very useful if you are doing timed deliveries. >> >> Does it give you a sensible ETA for deliveries? My Garmin seems to >> assume I will be travelling at the speed limit everywhere, so the ETA >> works on trunk routes but is hopelessly optimistic on country roads or >> in cities. > >Well the ETA on mine is not fixed so I am not sure what you mean. If I am >on clear motorway, I gain time. In traffic I lose it. Indeed. So the ETA when you set off bears little relation to your - erm - estimated arrival time? ;-) -- Ian D |