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From: Ian on 29 Dec 2009 03:57 <James Martin(a)hgvu.com> wrote in message news:3ge9j5dm2tmkbdn207b0ftdikrjc3f3t2j(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:18:03 +0000, Ian Dalziel > <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote: > >>On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:48:44 GMT, James Martin(a)hgvu.com wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:39:11 GMT, Harry Bloomfield >>><harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I can relax and get on with concentrating with driving and let the >>>>satnav get me where I'm going. >>>And what are you going to do if your satnav goes nackared one day >>>when >>>you are miles away from home? you wouldn't have a clue due to the >>>fact >>>that you have been so used to sitting there doing what your useless >>>satnav has been telling you to do . >> >>Why would I forget how to read a map because my Satnav broke down? > Then why spend money on a satnav if you are still going to have to > carry a map about with you ? I do not carry a map about with me > anyway > I look at it before leaving home if I need to. During the working day, one can ALWAYS aquire a local street map (in urban areas) free of charge, within a few minutes of parking your vehicle. -- Please visit our appeal at http://www.donatetobreastcancer.org/nakedbikeride Thanks Ian
From: Ian on 29 Dec 2009 04:01 "Denis McMahon" <denis.m.f.mcmahon(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:eqOdndVjZp11X6jWnZ2dnUVZ7rdi4p2d(a)giganews.com... > Conor wrote: >> In article <5kl9j5t3vjepvf86qfqji7qkqmrtu8s8p9(a)4ax.com>, James >> Martin(a)hgvu.com says... >> >>> Considerably not due to my vast knowledge of the UK having done >>> nothing else but travel in the course of my employment for many >>> years. >> >> I've done likewise but I don't claim to know where everywhere is by >> a long shot. Sure, I don't need to use a map to get to a town but >> once I'm there, I tend to find it easier finding places with one. > > Yep, before satnav I used to drive to a city, stop at the first > petrol station and buy a map. > > Navigating between cities is pretty easy if you have a basic > knowledge of the geography of the country and the road network. > > Where I used to find a satnav useful was in the last 2 miles from > leaving the trunk road network to reaching the destination. > > I wasn't worrying about bridges though, I think the highest vehicle > I've ever driven was, at most, about 10 feet high. > Good job you did't meet any 9' bridges then!!! :o) -- Please visit our appeal at http://www.donatetobreastcancer.org/nakedbikeride Thanks Ian
From: Ian on 29 Dec 2009 04:08 "Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote in message news:fqaaj5dsp5nv2rfa75abldhda4mkf31t5v(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:48:22 GMT, James Martin(a)hgvu.com wrote: > >>On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:14:16 +0000, johannes >><johs(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>Ophelia wrote: >>>> >>>> "johannes" <johs(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote in >>>> message >>>> news:4B34DD81.7F391AEC(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com... >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Ophelia wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> "Mr X" <invalid(a)invalid.com> wrote in message >>>> >> news:hh2b5r$mh2$1(a)frank-exchange-of-views.oucs.ox.ac.uk... >>>> >> > >>>> >> > <James Martin(a)hgvu.com> wrote in message >>>> >> > news:0399j5hve9mci2nn31ovno3hush83g7u1c(a)4ax.com... >>>> >> >> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:39:11 GMT, Harry Bloomfield >>>> >> >> <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>I can relax and get on with concentrating with driving and >>>> >> >>>let the >>>> >> >>>satnav get me where I'm going. >>>> >> >> And what are you going to do if your satnav goes nackared >>>> >> >> one day when >>>> >> >> you are miles away from home? you wouldn't have a clue due >>>> >> >> to the fact >>>> >> >> that you have been so used to sitting there doing what your >>>> >> >> useless >>>> >> >> satnav has been telling you to do . >>>> >> > Then I would follow the road signs. >>>> >> > Do you have a starting crank on your car? Why would you >>>> >> > want modern >>>> >> > rubbish like electric starting - after all it could fail! >>>> >> > In fact why have a car at all. A horse is much more >>>> >> > reliable than such >>>> >> > modern rubbish is the internal combustion engine! >>>> >> >>>> >> Yep:) >>>> > >>>> > Do you have nice systems such as Google Maps and Google Earth? >>>> > These can >>>> > be >>>> > viewed in advance of a difficult journey. Memorise or print out >>>> > as >>>> > required. >>>> > >>>> >>>> Yes indeed we have those. but a print out isn't a lot of use. >>>> You are >>>> complaining about a small screen, but at least that is showing >>>> just a small >>>> area. A print out? That would be very dangerous if one were >>>> having to >>>> continually refer to it. >>>> >>>> > Looking at a 4" screen while driving can't be any good. In fact >>>> > it should >>>> > be >>>> > outlawed, just like mobile phones. >>>> >>>> Well one doesn't actually sit and stare at the screen. I listen >>>> and >>>> occasionally glance at the ETA or the countdown to a turn. For >>>> miles on >>>> end, there is nothing to hear and very little to see. Perhaps >>>> you need to >>>> try one out fully:) >>> >>>So far my system has worked well. Google maps gives the logical >>>route and >>>Google Earth provides the particular landmarks to look out for. > >>You are wasting your time Johannes the people here probalbly >>couldn't >>find their way to their own WC if they hadn't got a satnav. > > What you really mean is, you're too dense to work a satnav, isn't > it? > Perhaps he can't afford one? -- Please visit our appeal at http://www.donatetobreastcancer.org/nakedbikeride Thanks Ian
From: Ian on 29 Dec 2009 04:12 "johannes" <johs(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> wrote in message news:4B352FD2.8E5A447C(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com... > > > Conor wrote: >> >> In article <4B34E4D8.EDA47A4(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com>, >> johannes >> says... >> >> > So far my system has worked well. Google maps gives the logical >> > route and >> > Google Earth provides the particular landmarks to look out for. >> >> So when you're driving through say London from one side to the >> other, do >> you stop after every turn and then every few hundred yards or do >> you >> read the instructions as you're driving? > > If driving London from one side to the other, I would probably use > M25 for > a large part, or major trunk roads planned in advance from home. > Detailed > directions isn't really necessary until you get closer to your > destination. > Only then I begin to look out for landmarks and possibly stop to > consult > the printouts. Pre satnav days. In middle of London with coach...(but away from bits I know). Drove straight out of London with no bother. Lady passenger behind me "He knows his way, don't he!" Did I hell - principle is "Just drive in a sraight line until you meet a big river... or the North or South Circular... or the M25... then you know where you are". Not very efficient, granted.... -- Please visit our appeal at http://www.donatetobreastcancer.org/nakedbikeride Thanks Ian
From: Ian on 29 Dec 2009 04:16
"Roland Perry" <roland(a)perry.co.uk> wrote in message news:4AnepEVCWfNLFA49(a)perry.co.uk... > In message <4B35D72A.30EA4FFE(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com>, at > 09:28:10 on Sat, 26 Dec 2009, johannes > <johs(a)siz82442582548524542efitter.com> remarked: >>I've been fooled in Cambridge many times. Always take the wrong >>turn. But now I just dump the car in the multi-story and walk. > > That's a good plan if walking the last part is OK - but not an > option for many deliveries. Although if able to walk through a city > centre the last half mile, I'll probably have arrived by train, > anyway. Which would have given you a very long walk in Cambridge to get to the centre...... of course, if you KNEW it was a long way, youd have taken the bus... -- Please visit our appeal at http://www.donatetobreastcancer.org/nakedbikeride Thanks Ian |