From: John_H on 5 Jun 2010 04:32
>> If you're really serious about a protest, I'd repeat the suggestion I
>> made about dealing with zero tolerance speed cameras.... All everyone
>> has to do is play the fuckers at their own game and drive 10kph
>> _below_ the posted speed limit.
>> It'll soon become evident that the existing infrastructure can't cope,
>> especially in heavy traffic situations. It's also the reason I'd
>> seriously doubt if you'll see speed limiting in 60kph zones introduced
>> anytime in the foreseeable future.
>You still have copious 60 zones?
By far the most common posted limit in Qld towns and cities. As was
the case in NSW last time I was there.
We've also got 50 kph in residential streets (used to be 60), 80 kph
in semi built up areas, plus the odd 70 or 90 transition zone. And of
course 40 past schools in built up areas and roadworks (anywhere).
NSW had all those as well, last time I was there.
>Here in NSW they should be placed on the endangered list!
What's replaced it?
Last time I drove in Sydney, urban streets and minor roads were mostly
posted at 60 and almost no one obeyed it in free flowing peak hour
traffic. Presumably because the roads wouldn't have handled the extra
traffic load had they done so. It didn't seem to be widely policed
From: Toby on 5 Jun 2010 07:24
On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:32:46 +1000, John_H wrote:
> By far the most common posted limit in Qld towns and cities. As was
> the case in NSW last time I was there.
Yeah - well, the 50 zones aren't posted. It's the default.
Pretty soon, the 90 Highway zones won't be posted either.
From: Deevo on 5 Jun 2010 09:11
Perhaps actually teaching people to drive before they give them a licence
Geraldton Western Australia
From: hippo on 5 Jun 2010 09:16
> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:32:46 +1000, John_H wrote:
> > By far the most common posted limit in Qld towns and cities. As was
> > the case in NSW last time I was there.
> Yeah - well, the 50 zones aren't posted. It's the default.
> Pretty soon, the 90 Highway zones won't be posted either.
Selected urban through routes are 60. The default in built up areas
statewide has been 50 for around five years IIRC. There are also numerous
40, 25 & 15 permanent zones around Sydney at least.
70 & 90 zones came in when Bruce Baird was Transport Minister in the 80s.
There has been talk for some years (and particularly in recent times) of
doing away with them to 'avoid confusion'. There has been similar talk
about getting rid of 110 zones. You can bet your boots that if they do any
of this, none of the limits will go up!
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From: Deevo on 5 Jun 2010 09:18
"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
> On 4/06/2010 8:16 AM, PHATRS wrote:
>> I guess you guys heard the premier got a bunch of "important" people
>> together to try to find a solution to the increasing road toll, just the
>> other day?
>> Well, the outcome is that they want speed limiters in all vehicles.
> The newspaper report I read said they want speed limiters on vehicles
> driven by repeat offenders, where do you read/hear that they wanted them
> on all vehicles?
It isn't much of a reach really.
> When they first introduced limiters on heavy trucks it was only for repeat
> offenders but it didn't take long to be mandated for all heavy trucks, its
> been almost 20yrs since they were made compulsory.
Precisely, legislation instead of education. The problem there is that the
more prevalent the driver aids on the vehicle the less qualified the driver
needs to be to operate them. Personally I would prefer to see better
drivers before we have "safer" cars (I use sarcastic quote marks here).
Geraldton Western Australia