From: Zimmy on 24 Mar 2010 13:23
"Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> In message <hodg14$ekb$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Zimmy <z(a)y.x> writes
>>"Conor" <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> On 24/03/2010 14:21, McKevvy wrote:
>>>> Hard-shoulder running....I'm still wary of this. The hard shoulder is
>>>> there for a reason - and it wasnt as an extra driving lane.
>>> There have been no problems with the three or so years the M42 scheme
>>> has been running.
>>So no-one broke down and blocked the lane in 3 years?
> Essentially, when the 'normal' lanes are congested (and, IIRC, when a
> speed limit of 40mph has had to be imposed), the opening of the hard
> shoulder for traffic works well. OK, when there's a breakdown, the hard
> shoulder for that small section of motorway (between gantry signs) has to
> be closed. Inconvenient, but not a disaster.
Then everyone in that lane has to filter into the next lane slowing up at
least two lanes.
However I appreciate that breakdowns don't happen very often and most of the
time the hard shoulder is lying empty. The hard shoulder was obviously
invented at a time when the 3 lanes rarely reached capacity.
From: NKTB on 24 Mar 2010 13:43
On 24 Mar, 16:52, "Zimmy" <z...(a)y.x> wrote:
> "Conor" <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
> > On 24/03/2010 14:21, McKevvy wrote:
> >> Hard-shoulder running....I'm still wary of this. The hard shoulder is
> >> there for a reason - and it wasnt as an extra driving lane.
> > There have been no problems with the three or so years the M42 scheme has
> > been running.
> So no-one broke down and blocked the lane in 3 years?
There are refuges every half mile or so. It's a fair bet that most
breakdowns are not total and vehicles can limp to a refuge. The
wisdom of doing this with a blown tyre or exhaust hanging off is
From: Derek Geldard on 24 Mar 2010 14:05
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT), McKevvy
>On 24 Mar, 13:25, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 1320 Acknowledging the toll the recent bad weather has taken on roads - and
>> the explosion in the number of potholes - there will �100m for local road
>> repairs and �285m for motorway improvements and expansion projects, such as
>> allowing hard-shoulder running in busy times.
>Yup. Scotlands were the worst in Europe before the winter. Theyre
>nothing much better than cattle tracks now.
That would be a laugh in Scotland. In loadsa places the motorways have
no hard shoulders.
>I'm still wary of this. The hard shoulder is
>there for a reason - and it wasnt as an extra driving lane.
By the time the M1 reached Leeds (It took 10 years to get here). Doing
the one way trip to London you would be lucky it your car ( something
like a Moggie Minor or a "Sit up and beg" E93A Anglia) didn't break
down with Joe Lucas trouble, a broken fan belt or a puncture.
IGWS there was no cctv over the lanes, no variable message signs and
no Active traffic management that can signal a warning automatically
within seconds of the traffic slowing down because of an obstruction.