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From: Zimmy on 24 Mar 2010 13:23 "Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:n7MM1MQ6bkqLFwhD(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk... > In message <hodg14$ekb$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Zimmy <z(a)y.x> writes >> >>"Conor" <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote in message >>news:80umo9FjkhU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> On 24/03/2010 14:21, McKevvy wrote: >>> >>>> Hard-shoulder running....I'm still wary of this. The hard shoulder is >>>> there for a reason - and it wasnt as an extra driving lane. >>>> >>> >>> There have been no problems with the three or so years the M42 scheme >>> has been running. >> >>So no-one broke down and blocked the lane in 3 years? >> > Essentially, when the 'normal' lanes are congested (and, IIRC, when a > speed limit of 40mph has had to be imposed), the opening of the hard > shoulder for traffic works well. OK, when there's a breakdown, the hard > shoulder for that small section of motorway (between gantry signs) has to > be closed. Inconvenient, but not a disaster. Then everyone in that lane has to filter into the next lane slowing up at least two lanes. However I appreciate that breakdowns don't happen very often and most of the time the hard shoulder is lying empty. The hard shoulder was obviously invented at a time when the 3 lanes rarely reached capacity. Z
From: NKTB on 24 Mar 2010 13:43 On 24 Mar, 16:52, "Zimmy" <z...(a)y.x> wrote: > "Conor" <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:80umo9FjkhU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > On 24/03/2010 14:21, McKevvy wrote: > > >> Hard-shoulder running....I'm still wary of this. The hard shoulder is > >> there for a reason - and it wasnt as an extra driving lane. > > > There have been no problems with the three or so years the M42 scheme has > > been running. > > So no-one broke down and blocked the lane in 3 years? > > Z There are refuges every half mile or so. It's a fair bet that most breakdowns are not total and vehicles can limp to a refuge. The wisdom of doing this with a blown tyre or exhaust hanging off is dubious, though.
From: Derek Geldard on 24 Mar 2010 14:05
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT), McKevvy <vicko_zoomba(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On 24 Mar, 13:25, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8584505.stm >> >> 1320 Acknowledging the toll the recent bad weather has taken on roads - and >> the explosion in the number of potholes - there will �100m for local road >> repairs and �285m for motorway improvements and expansion projects, such as >> allowing hard-shoulder running in busy times. > >Yup. Scotlands were the worst in Europe before the winter. Theyre >nothing much better than cattle tracks now. > >Hard-shoulder running.... That would be a laugh in Scotland. In loadsa places the motorways have no hard shoulders. >I'm still wary of this. The hard shoulder is >there for a reason - and it wasnt as an extra driving lane. > You jest. By the time the M1 reached Leeds (It took 10 years to get here). Doing the one way trip to London you would be lucky it your car ( something like a Moggie Minor or a "Sit up and beg" E93A Anglia) didn't break down with Joe Lucas trouble, a broken fan belt or a puncture. IGWS there was no cctv over the lanes, no variable message signs and no Active traffic management that can signal a warning automatically within seconds of the traffic slowing down because of an obstruction. Derek |