From: Noddy on

"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> Trouble is the affect on the handling isn't small, its significant for
> make the 4cyl a much more desirable package than the V8.
> I know a few people who have turbo charged Clubmans and they have so much
> power than they can be almost undriveable in anything less than ideal
> conditions.

Which probably suggests that their driving ability isn't anywhere near what
the car requires to get the best out of it.

I'm not saying that's definitely the case, as there's many factors that come
into play, but if you go through history and look some of the champion
"hero" cars that became famous for winning just about every event they were
ever entered into a great many of them were awfully difficult drives with
some quite dangerous characteristics.

One that springs immediately to mind is the Porsche 917. Along with the GT40
the 917 was a four time winner of Le Mans and one of the most famous Sports
Cars ever built, yet it was also one of the most incredibly unstable cars
ever to hit a racetrack and that instability killed a few drivers. It
constantly evolved and was improved over the course of it's racing life, but
it was never any better than "risky" from a driver's point of view, and it
remains one of the *very* few race cars (if not the only one) that couldn't
be driven flat out down the Mulsanne Straight as it would wander all over
the track. Still, even though the thing had to be "feathered" down the
straight it was still capable of 260 miles per hour.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that it'd be nice to have a car set
up where it was easy to drive at full noise, but then doing so would see the
car itself become the limiting factor. In the case of cars like the 917 (and
many others like it) the limit was the *driver*, and the performance of the
car was a direct result of how hard they could push it.

--
Regards,
Noddy.


From: D Walford on
On 25/05/2010 8:54 PM, Noddy wrote:

> Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that it'd be nice to have a car set
> up where it was easy to drive at full noise, but then doing so would see the
> car itself become the limiting factor. In the case of cars like the 917 (and
> many others like it) the limit was the *driver*, and the performance of the
> car was a direct result of how hard they could push it.

That's true to a point but the problem we weren't talking about full on
race cars, there aren't that many drivers capable of handling cars with
that much grunt which more or less backs up what I said about
overpowering an MX5 or a Clubman.



Daryl
From: OzOne on
On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:02:23 -0700 (PDT), st3ph3nm <sgam(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:


>
>I think it's fair to say that bang for your buck, the MX5 is a pretty
>damn impressive car. But not nearly as quick as an Elise.
>
>Cheers,
>Steve


Yeah.....did you read "a little slower"?




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From: OzOne on
On Tue, 25 May 2010 14:23:42 +1000, "Noddy" <Mission.Control(a)NASA.com>
wrote:

>Of course, it pays to bear in mind that he *also* believes his supercharged
>awd Magna is a world beating car too :)

No Nod....As I've always stated the AWD Verada supercharged allows a
very good chassis to reach its potential ...which happens to be a lot
higher than many others and as good as a WRX.

If you regard a WRX as being a world beater then so be it....




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From: OzOne on
On Tue, 25 May 2010 20:54:08 +1000, "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote:

>
>"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>
>> Trouble is the affect on the handling isn't small, its significant for
>> make the 4cyl a much more desirable package than the V8.
>> I know a few people who have turbo charged Clubmans and they have so much
>> power than they can be almost undriveable in anything less than ideal
>> conditions.
>
>Which probably suggests that their driving ability isn't anywhere near what
>the car requires to get the best out of it.



Had a look at a Clubman recently?
FFS...they have solid rear ends and weigh next to bloody nothing

You really don't have a clue do you!




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