From: Noddy on 25 May 2010 06:54 "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4bfb9a33$0$8772$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > Trouble is the affect on the handling isn't small, its significant for > make the 4cyl a much more desirable package than the V8. > I know a few people who have turbo charged Clubmans and they have so much > power than they can be almost undriveable in anything less than ideal > conditions. Which probably suggests that their driving ability isn't anywhere near what the car requires to get the best out of it. I'm not saying that's definitely the case, as there's many factors that come into play, but if you go through history and look some of the champion "hero" cars that became famous for winning just about every event they were ever entered into a great many of them were awfully difficult drives with some quite dangerous characteristics. One that springs immediately to mind is the Porsche 917. Along with the GT40 the 917 was a four time winner of Le Mans and one of the most famous Sports Cars ever built, yet it was also one of the most incredibly unstable cars ever to hit a racetrack and that instability killed a few drivers. It constantly evolved and was improved over the course of it's racing life, but it was never any better than "risky" from a driver's point of view, and it remains one of the *very* few race cars (if not the only one) that couldn't be driven flat out down the Mulsanne Straight as it would wander all over the track. Still, even though the thing had to be "feathered" down the straight it was still capable of 260 miles per hour. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that it'd be nice to have a car set up where it was easy to drive at full noise, but then doing so would see the car itself become the limiting factor. In the case of cars like the 917 (and many others like it) the limit was the *driver*, and the performance of the car was a direct result of how hard they could push it. -- Regards, Noddy.
From: D Walford on 25 May 2010 08:07 On 25/05/2010 8:54 PM, Noddy wrote: > Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that it'd be nice to have a car set > up where it was easy to drive at full noise, but then doing so would see the > car itself become the limiting factor. In the case of cars like the 917 (and > many others like it) the limit was the *driver*, and the performance of the > car was a direct result of how hard they could push it. That's true to a point but the problem we weren't talking about full on race cars, there aren't that many drivers capable of handling cars with that much grunt which more or less backs up what I said about overpowering an MX5 or a Clubman. Daryl
From: OzOne on 25 May 2010 08:59 On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:02:23 -0700 (PDT), st3ph3nm <sgam(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >I think it's fair to say that bang for your buck, the MX5 is a pretty >damn impressive car. But not nearly as quick as an Elise. > >Cheers, >Steve Yeah.....did you read "a little slower"? OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
From: OzOne on 25 May 2010 09:03 On Tue, 25 May 2010 14:23:42 +1000, "Noddy" <Mission.Control(a)NASA.com> wrote: >Of course, it pays to bear in mind that he *also* believes his supercharged >awd Magna is a world beating car too :) No Nod....As I've always stated the AWD Verada supercharged allows a very good chassis to reach its potential ...which happens to be a lot higher than many others and as good as a WRX. If you regard a WRX as being a world beater then so be it.... OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
From: OzOne on 25 May 2010 09:06
On Tue, 25 May 2010 20:54:08 +1000, "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote: > >"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message >news:4bfb9a33$0$8772$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > >> Trouble is the affect on the handling isn't small, its significant for >> make the 4cyl a much more desirable package than the V8. >> I know a few people who have turbo charged Clubmans and they have so much >> power than they can be almost undriveable in anything less than ideal >> conditions. > >Which probably suggests that their driving ability isn't anywhere near what >the car requires to get the best out of it. Had a look at a Clubman recently? FFS...they have solid rear ends and weigh next to bloody nothing You really don't have a clue do you! OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. |