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From: Clive George on 15 Mar 2010 09:02 On 15/03/2010 08:49, delboy wrote: > On 15 Mar, 08:26, Adrian<toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> delboy<del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like >> they were saying: >> >>> I normally tow glider trailers containing disassembled gliders. The >>> individual components are too long to fit in standard vans. >> >> Glider trailers are light enough to tow behind relatively small cars. > > Glider trailers are generally much heavier than the gliders they > contain. Trailers containing big two seater gliders can easily weigh > 1500 kg (one and half tons). Also we occasionally have to retrieve > gliders that have landed out in farmers fields, and very often you > have to travel along very muddy tracks to get to then, which is when > 4x4's are very useful. My current car is a 2WD Citroen C5 in which I > have got bogged down several times. It is a bit embarassing to ask the > farmer to tow you out with his tractor. A friend who was a glider instructor until very recently drove entirely normal 2WD cars - eg Pug 306. It sounds like you've got a case for the club owning a landy - though getting the farmer to do the muddy work seems like a good alternative.
From: JNugent on 15 Mar 2010 09:04 Adrian wrote: > JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: > >>>> Not if you really need a large 4x4 and can only affard one vehicle! > >>> So what do people need a "large 4x4" for, other than as a result of >>> lifestyle choices? > >> What's wrong with lifestyle choices? > > Absolutely nothing. > >> We all make them. > > Indeed we do. > > The problem only comes when people start to confuse them with NEEDS, and > whinge because the choices they make cost more than they'd prefer them to. To the extent that the costs referred to are inherent, factor, costs, I agree with you. If those "costs" include specifically-targeted spite taxes, I find myself in a certain amount of sympathy with those doing the complaining.
From: Adrian on 15 Mar 2010 09:22 JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > If those "costs" include specifically-targeted spite taxes And what "specifically-targeted spite taxes" affect 4x4s?
From: delboy on 15 Mar 2010 09:25 On 15 Mar, 13:02, Clive George <cl...(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > On 15/03/2010 08:49, delboy wrote: > > > > > > > On 15 Mar, 08:26, Adrian<toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> delboy<del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like > >> they were saying: > > >>> I normally tow glider trailers containing disassembled gliders. The > >>> individual components are too long to fit in standard vans. > > >> Glider trailers are light enough to tow behind relatively small cars. > > > Glider trailers are generally much heavier than the gliders they > > contain. Trailers containing big two seater gliders can easily weigh > > 1500 kg (one and half tons). Also we occasionally have to retrieve > > gliders that have landed out in farmers fields, and very often you > > have to travel along very muddy tracks to get to then, which is when > > 4x4's are very useful. My current car is a 2WD Citroen C5 in which I > > have got bogged down several times. It is a bit embarassing to ask the > > farmer to tow you out with his tractor. > > A friend who was a glider instructor until very recently drove entirely > normal 2WD cars - eg Pug 306. > > It sounds like you've got a case for the club owning a landy - though > getting the farmer to do the muddy work seems like a good alternative.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You can just about tow a single seater glider trailer with a medium sized car such as a 306. However larger vehicles give better towing stability, better traction and better braking. It is recommended that trailers should not exceed 85% of the kerb weight of the towing vehicle, and there are also Maximum All-up Mass (MAM) limitations. That is you can't tow a heavy trailer whilst also carrying 5 heavy adults and all their luggage. Derek C
From: Clive George on 15 Mar 2010 09:31
On 15/03/2010 13:25, delboy wrote: > You can just about tow a single seater glider trailer with a medium > sized car such as a 306. However larger vehicles give better towing > stability, better traction and better braking. It is recommended that > trailers should not exceed 85% of the kerb weight of the towing > vehicle, and there are also Maximum All-up Mass (MAM) limitations. > That is you can't tow a heavy trailer whilst also carrying 5 heavy > adults and all their luggage. Two points : 1) And how often do you do that? 2) How much of that would be doable with a heavier yet still economical normal car? eg your C5. |