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From: Jim A on 15 Mar 2010 15:04 delboy wrote: > On 15 Mar, 08:15, Ian Smith <i...(a)astounding.org.uk> wrote: >> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010, delboy <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>> On 14 Mar, 09:37, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> How many people regularly need to tow trailers bigger than the >>>> 1500kg I can tow perfectly legally and safely behind my 2.0 petrol >>>> car? Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to hire a van, for those >>>> incredibly infrequent needs? After all, most of the big 4x4s I see >>>> about don't even have towbars fitted. >>> Have you ever tried to hire anything with a towbar fitted? >> Firstly, he didn't propose anyone hire anything with a towbar fitted, >> he proposed hiring a van - have you ever had difficulty hiring a van? >> >> Secondly, the car-hire place within wlaking distance of my house has >> cars (and a 4x4, as it happens) with towbars fitted. > > I normally tow glider trailers containing disassembled gliders. The > individual components are too long to fit in standard vans. > > I tried to hire a vehicle with a towbar when my car was off the road > for repairs for a couple of weeks, but non of the big vehicle hirers > (Hertz etc) could supply such a thing. > > Derek C So.. charter a learjet instead. :-) -- www.slowbicyclemovement.org - enjoy the ride
From: S on 15 Mar 2010 15:53 On Mar 12, 3:41 pm, AlanG <inva...(a)invalid.net> wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:34:34 -0000, "Brimstone" > > > > > > <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >"AlanG" <inva...(a)invalid.net> wrote in message > >news:egfkp51t4rt7tverkiuudcb0bq1ahq04m0(a)4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:39:26 GMT, "Mrcheerful" <nbk...(a)hotmail.co.uk> > >> wrote: > > >>>Brimstone wrote: > >>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in > >>>> messagenews:z1bmn.49446$Ym4.36200(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... > >>>>> Shaun wrote: > > >>>>>> You are aware that everybody who pays taxes funds the roads and the > >>>>>> only people who have any right to use the highway are pedestrians, > >>>>>> horse rider and cyclists ? > > >>>>> More old bollox. Cyclists do not pay a 'specific' tax to use the > >>>>> roads fuckwit - motorists do. > > >>>> Let me rephrase that for you. Most road users do not pay a 'specific' > >>>> tax to use the roads fuckwit - motorists are the only ones that do. > > >>>> So to clarify, pedestrians, horse riders/drivers, herders and drovers > >>>> of animals, cycle riders, operators/drivers of historic vehicles > >>>> constructed before 1 January 1973, electric vehicles, mowing > >>>> machines, steam-powered vehicles, agricultural, horticultural and > >>>> forestry vehicles and vehicles used by disabled drivers do not pay a > >>>> specific tax to use the roads. Which just leaves the exception to the > >>>> rule, normal everyday motorists. The rule being that no one pays a > >>>> specific tax to use the public highway. > > >>>you forgot one: cars that emit less than 100g of co2 per km. (or something > >>>like that) > > >> They pay fuel duty though. > >> And VAT > > >Indeed they do, but those taxes are outside the scope of this sub-thread.. > > Pedal cyclists and pedestrians pay fuel duty and vat on it? Yes. Next time try to cycle to a petrol station and buy some petrol (in a suitable container, of course), and see whether they charge you fuel duty and VAT. If not, you have just discovered a massive loophole in the tax law.
From: S on 15 Mar 2010 15:57 On Mar 12, 3:48 pm, JMS <jmsmith2...(a)live.co.uk > wrote: > On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:01:08 +0000, Biggles > > > > > > <n...(a)packaging.the-shillings.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > >Marie wrote: > >> Looks like the IOM might have the right idea. > > >> ALL bicycles ridden by those over 16 should be licenced, Castletown > >> Commissioners believe. > > >> See > > >>http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/Call-for-bicycles-to-be.6132083.jp > > >> Marie > > >Can't see any logical reason why it shouldn't apply to all bicycles, not > >just those ridden by over 16s. Ah, but that might inconvenience the > >narrow-minded individuals proposing the legislation? > > >Still, forcing all tax payers to subsidise each bicycle licence to the > >tune of £20 sounds like fun. > > It does not actually say that. > > I think that is should be totally self financing. > > If it costs 30 quid per cycle - then that should be the cost of the > licence. > > -- > Many cyclists are proving the need for registration by their contempt for the Highway Code and laws. What about motorists and their contempt for the Highway Code and laws? Today, on my way home from work, less than 10 minutes, I saw 6 cars go through the red light, including 2 which did not even take notice of the pedestrian crossing on green, I saw another 2 making a prohibited left turn into a one-way street against the legal direction of the traffic, 3 box junction offences, too many to count illegally parked cars. > The answer: > All cyclists over 16 to take compulsory test, have compulsory insurance, and be registered. > Registration number to be clearly visible on the back of mandatory hi-viz vest. What about drivers identity clearly displayed on the outside of their cars? > Habitual law breakers' cycles confiscated and crushed. Same for motorists.
From: S on 15 Mar 2010 16:03 On Mar 13, 2:56 am, Jacobian <Jacob...(a)live.com> wrote: > On 13/03/2010 02:28, Mike Smith wrote: > > > I will never pay a licence fee to ride my bicycle. Let the wimps fall > > in line if they feel bullied into doing so. > > > This is one of those subjects that will never be resolved by > > Parliament. Without an engine a bicycle needs the power of its rider > > to make any movement down the highway, and that makes it completely > > different to all other means of transport. This is a non-starter of a > > debate, and should be stopped here. Why waste time on such an issue. > > Bicycles will never be licensed. > > California has them, why not here?http://www01.smgov.net/finance/licenses/bikelic.htm > The State of California requires a bicycle license for any bicycle used > on any street. Licenses can be obtained for $3 from the city License and > Permit Division at City Hall. They must be renewed every three years. > Send the following information: > > Bicycle's Serial Number > Owners Name > Owner Address > Owners Phone Number > Bicycle Make > Bicycle Model Name > Bicycle Type > Color of Bicycle > Wheel Size > Frame size > > Include a check or money order for $3 and mail to: > > City of Santa Monica, > License Division, > 1685 Main Street, > P.O. Box 2200, > Santa Monica, CA 90406-2200. > > Phone number is (310) 458-8745 . > > A bicycle license and stickers will then be mailed to you. The stickers > are to be placed on the vertical bar of the frame that supports the > bicycle seat. I have no idea what the purpose of the registration is, perhaps it is to return stolen bicycles to their rightful owners. I never saw police in California to show a great interest in checking registrations of bicycles, and I even rode an unregistered cycle imported from another state. Furthermore, cyclist are not licensed, so Judith M Smith's dream is not true in California either.
From: S on 15 Mar 2010 16:03
On Mar 13, 4:27 pm, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)no-spam- blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: > > I will never pay a licence fee to ride my bicycle. Let the wimps fall > > in line if they feel bullied into doing so. > > Shouldn't be surprised by this comment. Cyclists are habitual law breakers. As are motorists. |