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From: Vicko Zoomba on 22 Mar 2010 07:08
On 22 Mar, 10:33, ashley filmer <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 22 Mar, 10:18, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > ashley filmer <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >The most obvious thing to do would be to just ban all heavy diesel
> > >vehicles from the urvan environment to stop the fine particulates
> > >getting into peoples lungs..
>
> > Unfortunately the obsession with diesel vehicles has set the pollution
> > clock back 20 years. If petrol or LPG were used city centre pollution would
> > be a damn site lower.
>
> > B2003
>
> I would be interested to see how air quality has changed in London
> since they brought in the low emission zone given it has been in place
> for over 2 years now. If it hasn't made a difference, I'd say it is
> yet another one of Kens ways of hitting the motorist unneccessarily.

Agreed. Perhaps it's worth an FOI request?

McK.
From: ashley filmer on 22 Mar 2010 07:24
On 22 Mar, 10:54, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> ashley filmer <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying:
>
> > I would be interested to see how air quality has changed in London since
> > they brought in the low emission zone given it has been in place for
> > over 2 years now. If it hasn't made a difference, I'd say it is yet
> > another one of Kens ways of hitting the motorist unneccessarily.
>
> I very much doubt it's changed at all, since very few HGVs still in
> active use would have been old enough to be affected.
>
> As for "hitting the motorist unnecessarily - you do know it only applies
> to stuff bigger than "large van", don't you?

The people it has affected badly have been the horsebox lorry owners
living near or within the M25. Nearly all are privateers, the lorries
only do about 2500 miles per year so it is easly possible to have a 15
year old van which needs £3k's worth of catylictic converter and
certification done to avoid rendering them worthless. These vehicles
sit for 6 days a week in a field or farmyard, but are forced to pay
£200 per day to move the vehicle within the Low emission zone.A
punitive tax designed to soak the rich (or those perceived to be)
From: Adrian on 22 Mar 2010 08:38
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>>>So you, like the legislators, want to kill off other people's hobbies
>>>and pleasures?

>> If their hobby means they're a menace on the road then yes. Tough.

> Both vehicle and driver will have had to pass the relevant tests.

Mmm.

SWMBO is not atypical, I suspect, of most people who are likely to get
behind the wheel of a horsebox for the first time. Her licence covers her
to drive >7.5t. She's never driven anything larger than a large-ish car -
and usually drives nothing larger than a small car.
From: Brimstone on 22 Mar 2010 08:43


"Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:80p6n0Fjn6U23(a)mid.individual.net...
> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
>>>>So you, like the legislators, want to kill off other people's hobbies
>>>>and pleasures?
>
>>> If their hobby means they're a menace on the road then yes. Tough.
>
>> Both vehicle and driver will have had to pass the relevant tests.
>
> Mmm.
>
> SWMBO is not atypical, I suspect, of most people who are likely to get
> behind the wheel of a horsebox for the first time. Her licence covers her
> to drive >7.5t. She's never driven anything larger than a large-ish car -
> and usually drives nothing larger than a small car.

I wasn't suggesting that some additional practise wouldn't be useful.


From: Adrian on 22 Mar 2010 08:57
ashley filmer <ash.filmer(a)googlemail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:


> The entitlement to drive a C1 classed vehicle up to 7.5 tonnes must be
> earned by taking an additional test for anyone who passed their driving
> test before Jan 1997.

After.

> If you have seen anyone with grandfather rights driving a lorry
> without additional training, they are at least 30 now.

And quite likely haven't had any driving instruction on any kind of
vehicle for nearly a decade and a half.
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