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From: Brimstone on 22 Mar 2010 09:40 <boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message news:ho7po0$rkd$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:32:54 -0000 > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>So you, like the legislators, want to kill off other people's hobbies >>>>and >>>>pleasures? >>> >>> If their hobby means they're a menace on the road then yes. Tough. >>> >>Both vehicle and driver will have had to pass the relevant tests. They're >>no >>more a danger than any other road user. > > Passing a test doesn't make you any good especially if you hardly ever use > what you've learnt. > No one said "good".
From: Brimstone on 22 Mar 2010 09:42 "ashley filmer" <ash.filmer(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:f9a5337d-41a2-477d-8422-f25d04e72147(a)z11g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... > On 22 Mar, 13:06, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:42:28 -0700 (PDT) >> >> ashley filmer <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> I don't think many of us will be crying about that. >> >> >So what you are really saying is that because it is something you >> >personally have no interest in, it should be banned ? >> >> Its nothiing to do with my personal interest. I wouldn't want people >> driving >> F1 cars on the road either if they couldn't handle them (or even if they >> could TBH) or caused traffic chaos. > > Provided they can drive these F1 cars on the road legally and keep to > the limits, why on earth would you want to ban them - oh hang on, this > is something else you want to ban. I see a pattern forming here! > >> >> >The equestrian sector generates =A32 billion per year and those with >> >> Really? Do the french eat that much horsemeat? I'll have to try it >> sometime , must be tasty.. > > Next time you are in France, you should, it is different, but still > very edible if cooked properly. Watch out for the locals though. They > drive like maniacs apparently > >> >> Oh , you mean through betting. Who cares. There are plenty of other ways >> to >> part fools from their money. > > No, I meant the equestrian sector, not the gambling sector. There are > over 1000 tack shops alone in the UK serving 1.35 million animals as > well as many training facilities and riding centres. You should try to > live and let live a little >> >> >>Moving nags and other large livestock should >> >> be left to professionals. >> >> >> B2003 >> >> >Or someone with C1 entitlement ;o) >> >> I have a car license. I wouldn't call myself a "professional" car driver. >> >> B2003 > > These drivers aren't professionals either they don't need to be, they > just need to prove that they have attained test standard like everyone > else on the road - even those who actually drive for reward are not > forced to take a more difficult test. > > Going back to this, I'd like to see you explain how some bloke sat in > a cab at the wheel of a moving lorry can calm an agitated animal down > however good they are behind the wheel apart from slowing right down > as you said that these young 'girly's' have done ? > > We are talking about large vehciles with large standing animals in > transit. Have you forgotten how difficult it is to stand up in a > moving bus or tube without holding onto anything ? > He doesn't demean himself by travelling on public transport.
From: Doug on 22 Mar 2010 15:35 On 22 Mar, 09:27, ashley filmer <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > On 22 Mar, 07:17, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > These are the deaths caused by motorised transport we don't often hear > > about because they are not recorded as such. Cyclists be proud! > > > "More could be done to prevent the early deaths of up to 50,000 people > > each year hastened by air pollution, MPs say. > > > A Commons Environmental Audit Committee report said failure to reduce > > pollution had put "enormous" cost on the NHS and could cost millions > > in EU fines. > > > It said the UK should be "ashamed" of its poor air quality which was > > contributing to conditions such as asthma, heart disease and cancer. > > > The government accepted more could be done and would consider the > > report.." > > > "...Pollutants such as ozone, nitrogen oxides and "particulate matter" > > - tiny particles - from transport and power stations have been blamed > > for contributing to early deaths. > > > Particulate matter is estimated to reduce people's lives by an average > > seven to eight months, while in pollution hotspots vulnerable > > residents, such as those with asthma, could be dying up to nine years > > early, the report says. > > > Air pollution also leads to damage to wildlife and agriculture, with > > ground-level ozone estimated to reduce wheat yields in the south of > > Britain by 5% to 15%..." > > > "...The committee said major changes were needed to policies on > > transport, which accounts for up to 70% of pollution in towns and > > cities..." > > > "...The report added more research was needed to understand the impact > > of particulates created by wear on tyres and brakes and those lying on > > the road which are whipped up into the air by passing vehicles..." > > > Ooh er! How inconvenient! So even if they computerise their engines to > > make them more efficient, though less reliable, it still doesn't begin > > to solve the problem? > > > More:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8578952.stm > > > -- > > UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net > > "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience". > > The most obvious thing to do would be to just ban all heavy diesel > vehicles from the urvan environment to stop the fine particulates > getting into peoples lungs.. > This would also help to stop the roads from wearing out so fast. > Did you know that one HGV making a single pass does the equvalent > damage to the road as 44,000 car movements over the same stretch. > The down side is that we would also have to ban buses as they fall > into this category as well. All is not lost though because they could > then return all of the virtually empty bus lanes back to regular lanes > and the traffic flow for regular vehicles would then speed back up > again. We all know what free flowing traffic means - less pollution. > > Win - Win don't you think ? > I might have known that motorists on these NGs would try to divert blame away from themselves onto HGVs and buses. It is time they realised that cars are 80% of all road traffic and therefore responsible for a considerable amount of pollution. And its not only about particulates either, though diesel cars do of course emit them. Also it is clear that car tyres also distribute pollutants from roads. -- Car Free Cities http://www.carfree.com/ Carfree Cities proposes a delightful solution to the vexing problem of urban automobiles.
From: Adrian on 22 Mar 2010 15:36 Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I might have known that motorists on these NGs would try to divert blame > away from themselves onto HGVs and buses. It is time they realised that > cars are 80% of all road traffic and therefore responsible for a > considerable amount of pollution. <sigh> The concepts of relative mileages and relative fuel consumptions don't really impinge on your braincell, do they?
From: Mrcheerful on 22 Mar 2010 16:14
Doug wrote: > On 22 Mar, 09:27, ashley filmer <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> On 22 Mar, 07:17, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> These are the deaths caused by motorised transport we don't often >>> hear about because they are not recorded as such. Cyclists be proud! >> >>> "More could be done to prevent the early deaths of up to 50,000 >>> people each year hastened by air pollution, MPs say. >> >>> A Commons Environmental Audit Committee report said failure to >>> reduce pollution had put "enormous" cost on the NHS and could cost >>> millions in EU fines. >> >>> It said the UK should be "ashamed" of its poor air quality which was >>> contributing to conditions such as asthma, heart disease and cancer. >> >>> The government accepted more could be done and would consider the >>> report.." >> >>> "...Pollutants such as ozone, nitrogen oxides and "particulate >>> matter" - tiny particles - from transport and power stations have >>> been blamed for contributing to early deaths. >> >>> Particulate matter is estimated to reduce people's lives by an >>> average seven to eight months, while in pollution hotspots >>> vulnerable residents, such as those with asthma, could be dying up >>> to nine years early, the report says. >> >>> Air pollution also leads to damage to wildlife and agriculture, with >>> ground-level ozone estimated to reduce wheat yields in the south of >>> Britain by 5% to 15%..." >> >>> "...The committee said major changes were needed to policies on >>> transport, which accounts for up to 70% of pollution in towns and >>> cities..." >> >>> "...The report added more research was needed to understand the >>> impact of particulates created by wear on tyres and brakes and >>> those lying on the road which are whipped up into the air by >>> passing vehicles..." >> >>> Ooh er! How inconvenient! So even if they computerise their engines >>> to make them more efficient, though less reliable, it still doesn't >>> begin to solve the problem? >> >>> More:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8578952.stm >> >>> -- >>> UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net >>> "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience". >> >> The most obvious thing to do would be to just ban all heavy diesel >> vehicles from the urvan environment to stop the fine particulates >> getting into peoples lungs.. >> This would also help to stop the roads from wearing out so fast. >> Did you know that one HGV making a single pass does the equvalent >> damage to the road as 44,000 car movements over the same stretch. >> The down side is that we would also have to ban buses as they fall >> into this category as well. All is not lost though because they could >> then return all of the virtually empty bus lanes back to regular >> lanes and the traffic flow for regular vehicles would then speed >> back up again. We all know what free flowing traffic means - less >> pollution. >> >> Win - Win don't you think ? >> > I might have known that motorists on these NGs would try to divert > blame away from themselves onto HGVs and buses. It is time they > realised that cars are 80% of all road traffic and therefore > responsible for a considerable amount of pollution. And its not only > about particulates either, though diesel cars do of course emit them. > Also it is clear that car tyres also distribute pollutants from roads I find it takes a good few miles to get all those nasty bits of lycra and flesh out of my car tyre treads. |