From: Mr.T on 19 Jul 2010 22:24 "Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.here.invalid> wrote in message news:8aid3aFab2U1(a)mid.individual.net... > I'd like to see the raw accident data, and I've asked the RTA to publish > it. What are the chances? Buckley's! MrT.
From: Mr.T on 19 Jul 2010 22:26 "Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM(a)idl.net.au> wrote in message news:1279541726.970936(a)idlwebserver.idl.com.au... > Oh, and the slogan "Mobile speed cameras. Anywhere. Anytime." is now > verifably false. There is a prescribed list of locations, which makes > the word "Anywhere" clearly and irrefutably false. :-) Nope, if you think they'll never be used outside of those "prescribed locations", you're dreaming! MrT.
From: Scotty on 20 Jul 2010 07:37 "Doug Jewell" <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote in message news:ybudnQLbbJn4VtnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... : : Anyway, the one exception I mentioned above was the down : section of the Toowoomba range - it has had many accidents : and mostly speed related, BUT - they have mostly been heavy : vehicle accidents, and although speed related, good chance : they were still less than the speed limit. The main reason : HV's come to grief is that they don't go low enough on their : gears at the top, and run out of brakes half way down. Too : fast for the conditions and vehicle, probably still much : less than the posted limit. And at the tail end of a lovely corner where you can let the brakes off and quickly get over the posted limit by 10 and ya gone. Almost got done there a couple of weeks back. was doing the limit in teh corner and when I let go (still not under throttle) I was over by 15 within a very short period. Luckily there was a B-Double blocking his view. Only picked that he was there by my passenger. : : The Toowoomba range has such a bad record, that they decided : to grace it with a fixed camera - on the up section on a : very small section where the road levels out after 10% : grades. In 30'odd years of being in the district I can't : recall a single accident on the up section. : > And wouldnt ya have to be a fricken Womble to crash there! Safest peice of road for miles.
From: Feral on 20 Jul 2010 16:29 Athol wrote: > Sylvia Else<sylvia(a)not.here.invalid> wrote: > >> I'd like to see the raw accident data, and I've asked the RTA to publish >> it. What are the chances? > > I'd also like to see more detailed location information, including > correlating position to crash sites, but I don't have any expectation > of seeing that unless there is a change of state government and the > incoming government force its release in order to prove that the > camera locations are not actually at the crash sites... > > I checked the NSW state gazette. They gazetted the speed detection > apparatus and cameras as meeting the rules, but have not apparently > gazetted approved locations. Maybe you should stop playing "ugly sister" ;-) ) and get out more Athol. :-) Most fixed camera's on the H'way near me and on the way to Tamworth have a couple of "memorial sites" near them. I don't believe the RTA erect them either. -- Take Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^
From: D Walford on 20 Jul 2010 21:05
On 21/07/2010 6:30 AM, Toby wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:52:45 GMT, Athol posited in: > >> Sylvia Else<sylvia(a)not.here.invalid> wrote: >> >>> I'd like to see the raw accident data, and I've asked the RTA to publish >>> it. What are the chances? >> >> I'd also like to see more detailed location information, including >> correlating position to crash sites, but I don't have any expectation >> of seeing that unless there is a change of state government and the >> incoming government force its release in order to prove that the >> camera locations are not actually at the crash sites... >> >> I checked the NSW state gazette. They gazetted the speed detection >> apparatus and cameras as meeting the rules, but have not apparently >> gazetted approved locations. > > Heh heh ... > Lawyers please note:-) > If they HAVE to gazette those locations, and I have a feeling they do, then > anyone booked gets no case to answer, automagically. Right? > Article in today's newspaper says us lucky Melbourians will soon have another 73 (that's not a typo) speed/red light cameras collecting taxes very soon, they are currently under test. Its no wonder that for me driving has now become a chore to avoid where ever possible, its so dangerous with everyone spending 90% of their time watching their speedos instead of the road. Daryl |